Israel

[JOEBIALEK]

In a recent publication of U.S. News and World Report, David Gergen wrote an editorial titled "An Unfair Attack". In the article he issues a rebuttal to an article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walttitles {"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"}. Gergen states the following: "In essence, their 82-page piece argues that U.S. policy in the Middle East has been hijacked by a pro-Israel "Lobby." "The core of the Lobby," they say, "is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." As a result, "the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel." I agree with Mearsheimer and Walttitles.

Back in 1948 when the Jewish state of Israel was created, the United States and Britain agreed to allow it to exist in its present place of location. Evidently no thought was given to the long term effects of creating such a state in the middle of so many Arab countries. It would have been wiser to use this land to create a place where all three major religions could visit to practice their faiths but not be allowed to reside their. The State of Israel should have been established anywhere but the Middle East. Consequently, the United States has obligated itself to support a so-called democratic Jewish state against potential threats from the Arab monarchial dictatorships. This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well. Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen." Still further, while the Jews advocate diversity in the United States, only those born into Jewish families may attain citizenship in Israel. Mearsheimer and Walttitles are right and therefore the United States should withdraw from its support of Israel. Perhaps then will the so-called chosen people wisen up and learn to get along peacefully with the rest of the world.

[Crys]

If you want to discuss Israel and the Middle East peace process in these forums you will drop the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nonsense and the stupid stereotyping and prejudice or I will delete the entire thread. Bigotry is not welcome here as long as I am an admin.

I do agree that things were not handled as well as they could have been after WWII, and there are things we can see in retrospect that they didn't or couldn't see then, but the fact is, Israel is there now and any Middle East peace process has to start from where things are right now, not where they were sixty years ago or six hundred years ago or six thousand years ago or where _some_ people think they should be today. It doesn't really matter if they should or should not be there. The fact is that they are. You have to start with things the way they are now, or the cycle of vengeance and revenge will never end.

[Kris10]

The stereotyping below is the exact kind of idiocy that fueled the Holocaust. While I would prefer that such comments be deleted, I also see the value of letting them stand. These comments are a prime example of the ignorance that still exists in our world; ignorance we must all work to defeat before history repeats itself.

Originally Posted by JOEBIALEK

Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures.

[kmfarm]

Speaking from a part of the country that is a "fly over" for most of the big media/entertainment people, here's my perspective:

Most people I know (probably all) wouldn't know a Jew if they came up and bit them. When told that someone is a Jew, the comment is usually, "Really? So what."

With so much diversity in this country, You'd have to be obsessed with a particular group in order to even comment on it and it's history.

Let it go, there's no big conspiracy to run the government by the Jews. If they are able to have influence by pooling resources or money, good for them. That's the way the system works. If you want change, vote. Convince others to vote. Pool your own group.

As far as ancient history, it makes interesting reading, but has little value in todays world except to understand some deep traditions maybe. And lets not start quoting the bible or other religeous text. It only leads to argueing and cheap shots.

Most peoples lives are full of enough issues to keep them busy. Kids, Grandkids, bills, property taxes, drunken neighbor, whatever.

Judge individuals on their own merit. Not by what their name is or where they come from. I have Eastern Europe heritage. But I am and always have been an American.

Mark

[BadgerBlogger]

Being the new guy here, I didn't want to jump into this when I seen the first post, but I am glad to see others were disturbed by the antisemitic tone.

[rudedog]

before anyone gets to upset, l would like to point out that joe is well known for his political posts. he drops them in forums across the internet and then isnt seen again till the next post. he enjoys starting topics of discussion and then letting them go as they will. if you google his name you will find hundreds, if not possibly thousands of posting of the same exact topic. word for word. doesnt do alot of good to be upset with a guy who isnt here. some forums have actually banned him because he eather annoys the garbage out of them, or the topics have noting to do with their focus.
an example would be this post in a tech forum.
i've personally have emailed him twice in the past and gotten no response.

as far as this topic ic concerned, this is old news. you can find hundreds of opinionated papers across the net, explaining some version of this view point.
while im no anti semetic, i do feel its unrealistic for people to get upset, and call this bigitry and prejudice. no matter how strongly people feel about protecting the jews the truth is neather the americans, or the jews, or the muslems are innocent peoples. we kill, they also kill. we have greed, they also have greed. we have visions of world power, they also have visions of world power. to attack anyone who points out the fact that these things exist, as bigots isnt being realistic.
when they proclaim a difinite anti semetic doctorine them they are bigots.
not every negitive thing said about a jew is anti semetic, not every negitive thing said about an american is anti american.