Health Care reform comments

kmfarm · 05-09-2009, 09:51 PM

Interesting commentary:

Does universal health care fix the economy as Obama has said?

Obama's Health Care Reform Tactics - Forbes.com

Latina · 06-08-2009, 10:57 PM

I have very good insurance & very affordable however...

They are now considering slapping a fine on families who don't carry insurance, so long as they can afford it (with the government deciding who can afford it). They would even consider mandating a garish of our wages to get it done!

along with that, still tax health care, making it less affordable!

IF this happens I will be mad as hell with Obama along with all the Dems who are behind this BAD move!!!

He will have officially become a liar in my eyes, in doing exactly what he publicly ripped McCain apart for wanting to do!

someone please correct me if i am misunderstanding, but I read is on several sites & this seems to be exactly what is up for consideration!

kmfarm · 06-09-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Latina

someone please correct me if i am misunderstanding, but I read is on several sites & this seems to be exactly what is up for consideration!

You are not wrong.

Latina · 06-09-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kmfarm

You are not wrong.

Thanks Mark, i knew i could count on you to respond...

Having known (in November) what i would see happening now... I still wouldn't have voted for McCain, in fact i wouldn't have voted at all.

We would still be where we are now, but i wouldn't have to feel like i just got slapped in the face with a bunch of lies.

kmfarm · 06-09-2009, 12:39 PM

Some comments:

Partial quote:

Americans need to ask a basic question: Why are they rushing into a system of government-dominated health care when the very countries that have experienced it for so long are backing away?

End quote.

Canada's ObamaCare Precedent - WSJ.com

kmfarm · 06-11-2009, 10:44 AM

Pay attention when you hear from the government that you will be able to keep your own insurance if you want. You will still have a "choice".

The problem, in my view, is covered very well in this article.

The Beginning of the End of Private Health Insurance: How Obama's public health insurance option will quickly evolve into the only option - Reason Magazine

The choice will disolve over time. Many companies that now offer insurance to lure and keep employees, will offload that cost because there's now a government option. If companies are forced to offer insurance, some companies will go out of business because they can't afford the cost. Or, it'll be so expensive that the government "choice" is the only one that'll be taken.

The government choice will be cheaper and more attractive when you buy it, but the coverage and quality will erode over time.

There are ways to help control health care costs without the government taking it over.

3 simple things come to mind that could be easily done and would go a long way. Then more things can be considered to keep chewing at it.

1. Tort reform. Loser pays. Malpractice insurance is forcing Doctors to skyrocket their rates. That's a fact.

2. Pull back on government mandates on health insurances companies. The government is already deeply entrenched in private health-care by forcing insurance companies to cover many things as mandates driving up costs for everyone.

3. Stop giving free health care to illegal aliens. It's the law right now. Repeal it. It costs California about 4 billion a year for this alone. That's just one State.

That's a start.

kmfarm · 06-12-2009, 02:46 PM

Just so you're all aware what the ultimate goal is. Remember this when you here about "keeping your private insurance" or "choice".

YouTube - The Public Plan Deception - It's Not About Choice

kmfarm · 06-15-2009, 11:19 AM

Interesting to see the Democrats flip-flop on Medicare cuts.

When Bush was trying to cut Medicare, there were huge outcries. Now that Obama wants Medicare cuts.......silence.

On top of that, the amount Obama wants to cut is at least 4 times larger than the Bush plan.

We should at least expect honesty from politicians on something this huge.

Here's what the Democrats said about Medicare cuts when Bush was President:

YouTube - Blatant Hypocrisy: The Democrats Silence on Obama Medicare Cuts

kmfarm · 06-16-2009, 12:14 PM

Preliminary numbers from the Congressional Budget Office:

Director’s Blog Blog Archive Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

When all is said and done, it'll cost a trillion dollars over 10 years and 30 million will still be uninsured.

This report doesn't even factor in a "government option" which could add another trillion.

kmfarm · 06-16-2009, 05:59 PM

Oh boy,

A more thorough analysis reveals a much higher pricetag......4 trillion dollars over 10 years. Then Obama says it won't add to the national debt?

The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Report: Kennedy Bill Would Actually Cost $4 Trillion

kmfarm · 06-17-2009, 11:19 AM

Obama volunteers (ACORN) is having trouble selling the health plan.

Partial quote:

Humana’s chief executive officer, Michael McCallister, said in a June 15 interview that any government-run health plan “has the potential to disrupt 170 million people who get coverage through their employer or individually.”

End quote.

Potential to disrupt. What do you think that means? Did you hear about that on the news?

Bloomberg.com: News

Article from the White House "Money Man". Read it close and decide if you believe it. Medicare is already going broke and doctors and hospitals are chosing not to service Medicare patients because of the government. Now the plan is to cut even more money from Medicare Doctors and Hospitals and somehow that "pays" for the plan.

For a plan that costs trillions of dollars, there a very few details in this article. You would think that the White House guy writing this article would have some.

FT.com / Comment / Opinion - A plan to boost America?s fiscal health

Partial quote:

Taken together, these “pay-fors” total about $950bn over 10 years, an amount that puts us in a good position to fully fund health reform in a deficit neutral way.

End quote.

C'mon now, you believe this? Health care will be paid for just by making things more efficient? It's that easy? No one but Obama knew this?

I'm not that stupid.

kmfarm · 06-19-2009, 12:29 PM

Russ Feingold says he wants single payer system. For those of you who don't know what that is, that's complete government takeover.

YouTube - Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI): Ultimate Goal of Health Reform Legislation is Single Payer System

kmfarm · 06-20-2009, 08:38 AM

This is the Bill passed in the House of Rep's:

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/...Rdraft1xml.pdf

Do me a favor. Look at it, read it, tell me if you can understand it. Then decide if you think any politician understands it.

Now, the Senate is working on their own plan. Once they have that done it goes to committee. In committee, the two plans are laid side by side and the differences are worked out to come up with the final plan.

That's how all bills work.

Looking at the size and scope of this bill, how comfortable are you that a good plan will come out that we all understand?

This is being pushed to be done by the end of July. There is no way that anyone will understand this bill in it's entirety by then. So be prepared for some real shocks and surprises if/when this is signed by the Prez.

I challenge anyone to read this Bill and tell me what this plan costs and how it's paid for.

It's not in there.

I wonder if Obamba will give us the 5 days he promised before signing on this one. As if 5 days really matters.

kmfarm · 06-22-2009, 11:46 AM

One Doctors opinion:

WHY DOCS FEAR GOVERNMENT 'HELP' - New York Post

When you hear Obama and the Democrats talking about all the paperwork and administrative work the health care industry spends its time on, it's actually the fault of the government. This is where they are supposedly getting the bulk of their "savings".

Do you really believe more government intervention will make it better? Medicare/Medicaid has 2000 pages of regulations right now. Think that'll get bigger, or smaller? I have my guess. Think it'll be easier, or harder for Doctors. I think I know.

**j10asen** · 06-22-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Latina

I have very good insurance & very affordable however...

I also have decent health care coverage but think all and there are many mnay more that have very poor healthcare coverage. Some of those people often foregore care to save money but pay for it by shortening their lives.
I did not vote for Obama and the Republicans had control for 8 years with nothing done.

Something needs to be done to get health care to all.
How much more basic can you get?

kmfarm · 06-24-2009, 06:47 PM

So just what is ACORNs interest in national health care? Power.

THE ASTROTURF DRIVE FOR OBAMACARE - New York Post

davejar · 06-28-2009, 02:00 AM

kmfarm: you really have your act together on this issue...almost identical to the points I would have made...you beat me to the punch...

Let me add this little bit: when government says it will lower health care costs if a DEM bill does pass Congress this year, hold on to your wallet...it will almost certainly cost more, significantly more...

kmfarm · 07-01-2009, 06:29 AM

Obamas top 5 lies about national health care.

Obama's Top Five Health Care Lies - Forbes.com

kmfarm · 07-01-2009, 08:16 PM

Another "dog and pony" show. Pre-selected (planted) people with pre-screened questions. The crying woman actually works for Obama.

What a sham. He thinks you're all stupid (I'm not) and fall for this crap. Don't ask what it costs, just do it because it's "the right thing to do".

My Way News - Emotion, few details, in Obama's health care pitch

kmfarm · 07-01-2009, 08:25 PM

John Stossel comments:

RealClearPolitics - "Better" Health Care?

Obamas lies exposed:

'Barack Obama is a Big Fat Liar,' Illustrated

jlynn · 07-02-2009, 01:54 PM

The private sector has had forever to come up with a plan to fix our healthcare nonsystem.
What do they offer?
What is there for people whose employer offers no healthcare insurance?
What happens when one loses one's job?
Per capita this country spends more money on health care than any other country and yet so many have no coverage at all.

kmfarm · 07-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jlynn

The private sector has had forever to come up with a plan to fix our healthcare nonsystem.
What do they offer?
What is there for people whose employer offers no healthcare insurance?
What happens when one loses one's job?
Per capita this country spends more money on health care than any other country and yet so many have no coverage at all.

If you'd do some research, you find that the "private sector" is hardly private. Government intervention by way of State and Federal mandates, forced coverage for illegal aliens and out of control trial lawyers are what have really messed up health insurance.

I'll ask you some questions.

Why is my car insurance affordable?

Why don't you (and all other taxpayers) pay for my homeowners insurance?

Why is the automatic response "have government take it over"?

Why the faith in government?

How have they done with Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid?

How's that stimulus working out?

kmfarm · 07-03-2009, 09:25 PM

One Senator says, If you want good health care, work for the Federal Government.

I think all politicians should go on Obamas "public option" when it's formulated.

Quote:

Huffington Post: After sharing his family's personal struggle with the burden of high health care costs, an audience member asked, "My question is... why is your insurance so much cheaper than my insurance and so better than my insurance?"

The question made Grassley cranky.

He responded, first, by suggesting the questioner "go work for John Deere," since they "don't pay anything" for their insurance plan.

When the questioner refused to let the senator wriggle out of answering the question, Grassley revealed how little he knew about his own insurance plan.

Another audience member had to help the senator out by describing the details of the plan. After she finished, the original questioner again asked, "Okay, so how come I can't have the same thing you have?"

Grassley's response: "You can. Just go work for the Federal government."

YouTube - Grassley tells Iowan "go work for the federal government" for affordable insurance

kmfarm · 07-05-2009, 10:01 AM

Will rationing for the elderly be the biggest cost savings?

The painful side effects of Obama's healthcare reform - Los Angeles Times

kmfarm · 07-09-2009, 02:08 PM

Good article that describes how anything can be "health care related".

Want a bike path? Call it health care. Want lights in a skateboard park? Call it healthcare. Open a farmers market? Call it healthcare.

I think you get the idea. Think about now many other things can be related to healthcare.

Mark my words, every election from this day forward will be centered around "improving healthcare" because it will be the most expensive screw up in galactic history.

In health bill, billions for parks, paths - The Boston Globe