Health Care reform comments - Page 7

kmfarm · 12-16-2009, 06:10 PM

Right out of the Liberal/Progressive playbook. Obamas using scare tactics to try and pass whatever debacle comes out of Congress. Doesn't matter what it is, just get it passed or it's the end of our country. Just like global warming.

President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are Not Reined In - The World Newser

The ever-loyal New York Times is doing their part too.

If Health Care Reform Fails, America’s Innovation Gap Will Grow-NYT

But it's all to be expected when Americans are turning on Obama and his plans.

NBC poll: Public sours on health reform - First Read - msnbc.com

Public cooling to health-care reform as debate drags on-washingtonpost.com

Good policy isn't hard to pass.

kmfarm · 12-27-2009, 06:46 PM

This is the guy that wrote the Senate version of "health care/insurance reform".

He's drunk on the floor of the Senate. Nice. I wonder if he was drunk when he wrote the bill. This is the condition your Liberal/Progressives are in when they're taking over 17% of the economy. Gotta be drunk to keep a straight face while telling lies. It's no wonder they wanted to call it "Kennedy Care".

Holier than thou Democrats. Ugh

Imagine the news cycle if this were a Republican.

YouTube- Senator Max Baucus Drunk / Intoxicated on Senate Floor - Shouts Down Wicker

kmfarm · 01-02-2010, 08:27 PM

Senator Kohl (he's from Wisconsin) says the Japans health care system is better than ours. Let's take a look at it...........

Big Lizards:Blog:Entry "VIP" Treatment Under Nationalized Health Care

kmfarm · 01-06-2010, 05:44 PM

Speaks for itself.

YouTube- The Mother of all ObamaCare Lies

YouTube- White House Press Sec. Robert Gibbs Takes Questions on C-SPAN Letter on Health Care Coverage

kmfarm · 01-07-2010, 06:17 AM

Here's the follow up the next day. The smartest White House Press Secretary evah!, dodges more questions.

YouTube- White House Press Corps Clash With Gibbs Over C-Span Promise

kmfarm · 01-15-2010, 06:30 AM

The unions roll Obama. They won't pay until 2018. Hmmm, there's that year again. Wonder........

I guess they just don't want to pay their "fair share" to "save lives".

White House scores key labor deal - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

Good article from Rep Paul Ryan (he's from Wisconsin).

RealClearPolitics - Healthcare and Progressivism

This guy is so out of touch it's funny. At least the super-hero mask is finally off.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama: I Want To Fight GOP Over Health Care

Charles Krauthammer is always brilliant. He relates Obamas fall to healthcare.

Liberals try to attribute Obama's political decline to matters of style. He's too cool, detached, uninvolved. He's not tough, angry or aggressive enough with opponents. He's contracted out too much of his agenda to Congress.

These stylistic and tactical complaints may be true, but they miss the major point: The reason for today's vast discontent, presaged by spontaneous national Tea Party opposition, is not that Obama is too cool or compliant but that he's too left.

It's not about style; it's about substance.

RealClearPolitics - One Year Out: The Fall

kmfarm · 01-15-2010, 07:35 PM

It's taken a year, but the White House press corp is finally getting fed up with this sarcastic clown. He's the king of not answering a question, then when asked to clarify or to actually give an answer, he'll say "I've already answered that and my answer won't change".

He thinks his snarkyness is cute and funny, but these folks aren't putting up with it much anymore. The one year "give him a chance" grace period appears to be over. That's what's really bugging him, the glow is gone.

YouTube- Gibbs Press Briefing 11-15-10

kmfarm · 02-02-2010, 05:44 AM

Now why would a high ranking Canadian politician come to the U.S. for heart surgery?

Hmmmmmmmm

Danny Williams going to U.S. for heart surgery-CBC

urbanideas · 02-02-2010, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Some comments:

Partial quote:

Americans need to ask a basic question: Why are they rushing into a system of government-dominated health care when the very countries that have experienced it for so long are backing away?

End quote.

Canada's ObamaCare Precedent - WSJ.com

I have a feeling I am opening a can or worms here, but... can you tell me exactly which countries are backing away? See I come from one of those countries that has socialized healthcare and never had a problem there.

kmfarm · 02-02-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanideas

I have a feeling I am opening a can or worms here, but... can you tell me exactly which countries are backing away? See I come from one of those countries that has socialized healthcare and never had a problem there.

Well, off the top of my head:

Canada is offering private alternatives, Czech Republic, Sweden and even Great Britain is starting to offer some private alternatives.

Glad you never had a problem. But I'd be willing to bet that your country hasn't done a fraction of the R&D, Breakthroughs of new and improved drugs, new and improved procedures, new and improved equipment, etc...

All of that costs money and all of it is taken for granted in countries that use it.

The private sector drives innovation. Socialize Americas health care and innovation comes to a halt.

kmfarm · 02-02-2010, 08:35 PM

Couple interesting articles about the health care system in Portugal. Sounds like it isn't too bad as long as you don't get sick.

Technology. Portugal is seriously lacking in medical technology. The U.S. has 7 times more MRI units per person than Portugal and 20% more CT scanners.

Waiting Times. Waiting times are very long in Portugal. Further, there are often long waits for specialist visits. The European Observatory on Health Systems says the Portugal is heading towards “de facto rationing.” Because of this, many Portuguese either go to Spain for treatment or head to the emergency department. In fact, “at least 25 percent of emergency room patients do not need immediate treatment.”

Benefits Covered. On paper, all benefits are covered, but in reality, many benefits–such as dental care and rehabilitation–are rarely provided.

The other negative often cited by those expatriates who have retired to Portugal already is that the health care system is poorer, lesser funded and more basic than that available in Spain or Italy for example, and that getting decent health care requires additional insurance which pushes up the cost of living. Added to this fact is the issue relating to nursing care and home assistance for those who require a lengthy stay in hospital or who have an ongoing requirement for assistance. A lot of the traditional roles nurses take on in the UK for example are taken on by family in Portugal – so your partner or family members may be required to feed you, change and wash bed linen etc., and home help may be impossible to come by or impossible to afford.

Healthcare Economist Health Care Around the World: Portugal

Should You Retire to Portugal?

urbanideas · 02-03-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kmfarm

Well, off the top of my head:

Canada is offering private alternatives, Czech Republic, Sweden and even Great Britain is starting to offer some private alternatives.

Most countries with socialized healthcare also offer private alternatives and this is not something new. Great Britain was already offering such when I lived there over 20 years ago.

urbanideas · 02-03-2010, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Couple interesting articles about the health care system in Portugal. Sounds like it isn't too bad as long as you don't get sick.

Technology. Portugal is seriously lacking in medical technology. The U.S. has 7 times more MRI units per person than Portugal and 20% more CT scanners.

Waiting Times. Waiting times are very long in Portugal. Further, there are often long waits for specialist visits. The European Observatory on Health Systems says the Portugal is heading towards “de facto rationing.” Because of this, many Portuguese either go to Spain for treatment or head to the emergency department. In fact, “at least 25 percent of emergency room patients do not need immediate treatment.”

Benefits Covered. On paper, all benefits are covered, but in reality, many benefits–such as dental care and rehabilitation–are rarely provided.

The other negative often cited by those expatriates who have retired to Portugal already is that the health care system is poorer, lesser funded and more basic than that available in Spain or Italy for example, and that getting decent health care requires additional insurance which pushes up the cost of living. Added to this fact is the issue relating to nursing care and home assistance for those who require a lengthy stay in hospital or who have an ongoing requirement for assistance. A lot of the traditional roles nurses take on in the UK for example are taken on by family in Portugal – so your partner or family members may be required to feed you, change and wash bed linen etc., and home help may be impossible to come by or impossible to afford.

Healthcare Economist Health Care Around the World: Portugal

Should You Retire to Portugal?

Ok a few points. First of all. Expats? sorry, but I do recall when I lived there expats, whether from the US or Britain would always find every reason to complain about it all. Even my husband (and Irish American from Boston) would tell in their face, "just go home then!"

Are there lines? yes there are, but as you pointed out if you require immediate attention you can go to the emergency room. A lot of people going to emergency even not urgent, well that happens everywhere. Even here in the States.

Families taking care of elderly or other family members: This has to do with the society per say, with family moral values. That is what we do, much like a young person does not leave the nest unless he or she is getting married. Often you will find 40 or 50 year old people who never got married so still live with their parents.

Technology may indeed be lacking compared to the states but oddly enough innovation is not.

Portuguese people going to Spain or Italy: That is the first I ever heard of (But I will check with family members that are in the healthcare)

My own personal experience (even though I did not live that long in Portugal)

Had my oldest daughter in Portugal at a public hospital (sure I shared a room with 5 other women, but would do it all over again), I was extremely well treated, barely ever had to wait.

Had Thyroid gland removed. Until I saw a specialist it took 2 weeks (did not have to go first to my primary physician as I do here), had the operation 3 weeks later. Got the results of biopsy 1 week later

My Mother just went through second time of having Breast Cancer. Had surgery, chemo treatments, etc... as it was stage 3, they was seen and taken care of right away. First time she had it here, for her she said the treatment of care was the exact same.

Look, every healthcare system has its good and bad. There is no perfect system as there is no perfect government. If not am sure we all would use the same system. Now I do believe that healthcare is a right, much as our kids going to school is a right. I have them in public schools (because I believe in them) as I would support a public healthcare. Leave the private insurances for those that want or can afford them.

urbanideas · 02-03-2010, 09:10 AM

lol... I was reading one of your links about retiring in Portugal and had to laugh at this one:
"Additional positives that may have you answering ‘yes’ to the question should you retire to Portugal are the pace of life and standard of living – although the pace of life can take some getting used to! If you move away from tourism towns in Portugal and integrate into Portuguese communities don’t be surprised to learn that paying utility bills and getting things done can take you the best part of a day"
For the past 20 years you can pay every single utility bill at ANY ATM. or of course online just like here. I never ever waited in lines.

urbanideas · 02-03-2010, 09:13 AM

another interesting quote:
"For example, Portuguese has to be one of the hardest European languages to get to grips with and many who have retired to Portugal already find that they never grasp more than the basics making total integration impossible. "
Try going to Spain or France and find a local who is willing to talk to you in English. Portugal is very known to be a country that opens arms to foreigners (afterall we have the ocean to one side and Spain to the other) and most people speak English and/or French! Do not forget TV is not dubbed, while in other European countries it is. Actually When I lived in Spain it was funny hearing JR from Dallas speaking Spanish!

kmfarm · 02-03-2010, 10:42 AM

50% of American health care is already government run. Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, State plans, etc.

The other 50% that is private, completely subsidizes the government half. That's the main reason insurance rates exceed what would be considered reasonable.

When the 50% that's private disappears, there's nothing left to subsidize the government. As well as when our private system disappears, there's nothing left to subsidize the world in advancements of technology, drugs and procedures.

Bottom line, the government system is what has destroyed our health care system. Mainly through State mandates and underpayments by the Feds. Now we should simply turn it over completely.

Good plan.

kmfarm · 02-14-2010, 11:07 AM

Well let's see, the post partisan, post racial, post accomplishment President wants a summit. How unique.

A Bipartisan Meeting on Health Reform: The Invites Are Out | The White House

Will there be beer? Shirt sleeves rolled up? Ties loosened? Who knows. But what does it mean?

Nothing. Try not to fooled again people.

Pelosi aide says Democratic congressional leaders have settled on legislative "trick" to pass Obamacare; So why have a summit? UPDATED | Washington Examiner

White House hints Dems' talks could be done before summit - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

**MrKhay** · 02-14-2010, 11:38 AM

Plain and simple..."I don't need a nanny". I certainly don't need to have my health care options decided by a group of bureaucrats.

kmfarm · 03-10-2010, 07:59 PM

So which lying politician do you believe?

Obama(?) who says:

Our cost-cutting measures mirror most of the proposals in the current Senate bill, which reduces most people’s premiums.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Says Health Premiums Will Go Down

Or Dick Durbin(?) who says:

Anyone who would stand before you and say 'well, if you pass health care reform next year's health care premiums are going down,' I don't think is telling the truth. I think it is likely they would go up.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Durbin Admits Premiums Will Go Up If Health Care Bill Is Passed

kmfarm · 03-14-2010, 08:27 AM

Here's an example of how the free market works. Getting government out is the answer, not making them bigger.

Read the story and then imagine if we would also have Tort refrom, State Mandate reform and Illegal Immigration reform. All of which costs exactly zero dollars.

Christian Groups Find Way Around High Health Costs : NPR

Being a Christian group is unimportant to this story. It could be any kind of group you could imagine. What they are doing is the important part of the story.

kmfarm · Today, 05:28 PM

OMG!

This is clearly the stupidest person to ever occupy the White House. Can you imagine if Bush would have said anything as stupid as this?

YouTube- Obama: Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When H'care Is Passed

Let's do a little math for the professor here. Let's say that your premiums are a total of $1000 per month. You pay your share, your employer pays his share, whatever that is.

So, under Obamas plan of a 3000% premium reduction, the premium turns into a reimbursement of $30,000 per month! Good deal. You believe it?

Now with all that, I'm supposed to trust him to run the entire health care industry which comprises about 17% of the entire economy?

Please tell me that nobody (except Obama) is that stupid. I'm not.

Of course in classic Obama fashion, he claims that this isn't partisan and then proceeds to bash Republicans.

Hypocrite.