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07-02-2009, 05:41 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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07-02-2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Wake up people! This cap and trade will cost a bundle. Auditors are going to come to your house and do a "green" inspection. When you fail (and you will), you'll be given a list of repairs to make to become compliant. Could cost you thousands.
As far as I'm concerned, if you voted for Obama, you can pay my bill.
Clean Energy and Security Act brings auditors into your home
Edited by the Publisher: enough of the use of "idiot"
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Last edited by keith; 07-03-2009 at 10:28 PM..
Reason: Edited by the Publisher: enough of the use of "idiot"
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07-05-2009, 12:31 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Here's a calculator that estimates your cost of Cap and Trade. Simply fill in the values and wait for the surprise.
My cost came to $1743 per year.
Do you know where that money's going?
The Tax Foundation - Household Cap-and-Trade Burden Calculator
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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07-06-2009, 05:16 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
If you think that doing your part to save the planet by reducing you electricity usage will result in smaller electric bills, think again.
This kind of stuff is coming and you'll be seeing more and more of it. Your electric company is not interested in you having smaller bills. So the goal is to use less electric, but have bigger electric bills.
Analysis | With new charge, saving electricity could end up costing Missourians - Kansas City Star
Then we'll have the "green police" just like Britain. Don't fool yourself, it's coming with this Cap and Trade fraud.
Environment Agency sets up green police - Times Online
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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07-07-2009, 08:52 AM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Locally, unrelated to Cap and Trade but related to higher energy costs, WE Energies is asking for a 7% hike in energy fees:
7% electric rate increase proposed - JSOnline
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07-07-2009, 09:53 AM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
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It's not related, but it's proof of what I pointed out earlier.
Cap and Trade is meant to reduce everyones energy usage by making it more expensive. Higher costs means you'll use less.
But it's a spiral. Utilities will not be getting the extra money you spend on energy under Cap and Trade, the government does. So you use less energy and the utilities make less money.
So they raise their rates to make up for you using less. Just like your article.
So we'll all get hit twice. Rising taxes and rising rates.
All in the name of junk science.
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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07-07-2009, 12:25 PM
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07-10-2009, 09:07 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Maybe I should have brought this up long ago. Cap and Trade is nothing new. California has been doing it for 3 years.
How's that economy in California doing?
Worst part, they plan on raising even more carbon taxes in individual cities. This is a sign of things to come. When any government body is short of cash, raise taxes in the name of saving the planet.
Now how can anyone argue with saving the planet. Pay up!
California’s Carbon-Tax Lesson for America - Edward John Craig - Planet Gore on National Review Online
California weighs global warming fees on producers - Las Vegas Sun
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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08-13-2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
I should have known, I should have known. Cap and Trade was created in the 60's by a UW student. Cap and Trade created right here in Wisconsin. I'm so proud.
He's skeptical of the current Bill.
Cap-and-Trade's Unlikely Critics: Its Creators - WSJ.com
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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09-01-2009, 11:22 AM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Here's our future if Cap and Trade is passed. Blackouts coming to Britain. GO GREEN!
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The gap between Britain’s energy needs and demand throws fresh doubt on the Government’s assertion that renewable energy can make up for dwindling nuclear and coal capabilities.
The looming problem in Britain is caused by the scheduled closure by 2015 of nine oil and coal-fired power plants. They are the victim of an EU directive designed to cut pollution.
In addition, four existing nuclear power plants are set to be shut, adding to the need for new sources of energy.
Several reviews and rows with the green lobby delayed any definitive statement on the issue.
The privatised power stations have been slow to commit to building new capacity because of Government intransigence and their own misgivings over whether profits can be made.
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Britain facing blackouts for first time since 1970s - Telegraph
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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09-12-2009, 09:29 AM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
You never can really tell with any Politician, but it looks like Feingold is backing away from Cap and Trade....for now.
The problem, as I see it, is if you're a good liberal, environmental, "go green" democrat, how do you say Cap and Trade will hurt anyone? If Cap and Trade is moving us to "millions of green jobs" in a new "green economy", how can it harm Wisconsin? Obama said Cap and Trade is a "jobs bill".
Doesn't make sense does it?
Althouse: Russ Feingold on cap-and-trade: "I'm not signing onto any bill that rips off Wisconsin."
WisBusiness.com-Feingold: Cap-and-trade bill could hurt Wisconsin
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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09-12-2009, 08:37 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
Leave it to Madison to be out in front on this Carbon Credit scam.
I'm so proud.
Badgers' home football season goes "carbon neutral"
Couple questions:
Who's money was this that paid for the credits?
What did the credits actually do besides relieve global warming guilt?
Will they do this from now on?
What happens when the price of these credits goes to 17 dollars (like France wants) instead of 25 cents (current price)?
Which brainiac in Madison is going to track this money to measure the results of this investment?
It's a typical global warming scam folks. Makes good P.R., makes you feel better about yourself after spending money on nothing, but has no verifiable results. For a mere $2000, they can claim that they are "carbon neutral". But is anything actually different?
Sometimes the smartest people in the world are the stupidest.
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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09-17-2009, 06:21 AM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
White House documents put the cost per family at $1761 per year. How would you feel if your property taxes went up 1700 per year?
Of course, government estimates are always low too. Hidden costs and unintended consequences can't be factored in yet.
Obama Admin: Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year - Taking Liberties - CBS News
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Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
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09-28-2009, 12:01 PM
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Re: How much will Cap and Trade cost you?
This guy is writing the Cap and Trade bill on the Senate side.
Partial quote.
"I don't know what 'cap and trade' means. I don't think the average American does," Kerry said.
End quote.
Boxer, Kerry Set to Introduce Climate Bill in Senate - NYTimes.com
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