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[pk]

OK, talk about ridiculously reaching for stories to try to prove a point....

But good new fella's, free condoms should be coming!

UN: Fight climate change with free condoms

Global warming is creating more prostitution.

Oh wait I'll throw in a few too...

The True Cost Of Global Warming: Lost Arctic Lairs
The Onion Reveals The True Cost Of Global Warming: Lost Arctic Lairs - ComicsAlliance.com

Oh and here is a really great one:

Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming

WASHINGTON, DC—Braving balmy temperatures and sunny skies, millions of scarfless snowmen and snowwomen gathered in cities across the world Tuesday to raise public awareness about the heavy toll global warming is taking on their health and well-being.

FULL STORY HERE:
Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming | The Onion - America's Finest News Source


One can find just about anything on the web to prove a point.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by pk

OK, talk about ridiculously reaching for stories to try to prove a point....

One can find just about anything on the web to prove a point.

Carefull, you're getting close to being rude and dismissive.

That's O.K. at least you're trying. The only difference between your articles and mine are that I'm showing lunacy and ignorance with real stories, yours are satire. But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me. Unless you go to Wikipedia and type in global warming too. ROFLMAO!

But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.

[pk]

That's O.K. at least you're trying.

Thanks, and you are also 'trying'. We understand.

But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.

Good, glad to hear it. More Condom and Prostitution style stories will really add to the credibility you have been trying to achieve.

lol

Really it is amazing what is out there and what is even more amazing and somewhat sad is those that will read these types of stories and actually believe them.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by pk

Good, glad to hear it. More Condom and Prostitution style stories will really add to the credibility you have been trying to achieve.

You mean I haven't yet achieved any credibility with you? How will I sleep? lol lol!

Moving on...........

Wind power is a failure. Shocker!

Wind power is a complete disaster - FP Comment

Ethanol Plants are shutting down. Because they were a bad idea as well.

Greentech Media: VeraSun Shutters Ethanol Plant

Solar panels are also a failure. Let's spend a few more billion. That'll make it better.

Climate Change Fraud - Solar Power Lies

Don't they grow alot of corn for ethanol in Iowa? Wonder why their greenhouse gases are so high? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Iowa greenhuse emissions show big jump

Now I'm off to take a break. All this talk about prostitution..................

[keith]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Again, using Wikipedia for a source is foolish. I thought smart people knew that.

I disagree. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, foot-noted extensively and posted with warnings on information that isn't supported by a reference.

Further, stop taking shots like, "I thought smart people knew that."

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Here's a good recent read on the IPCC.

http://www.tech-know.eu/uploads/UN_I...crunitised.pdf

Partial quote:

The IPCC's core claim has no supporting scientific data and only five (5) IPCC reviewers explicitly endorse the claim - not 4,000 as the IPCC repeatedly falsely implies. The IPCC repeatedly implies that its core claim (that human activity caused global warming) is supported by 2,500 or 4,000 scientists. McLean's transparent presentation of IPCC data provided by the IPCC itself shows this is false. The IPCC's core claim is explicitly endorsed by only five (5) reviewers of the IPCC's 2007 report. Just five, and there is doubt they were even scientists.

End quote.

The only "consensus" out there is that the IPCC is a fraud. The recent "hockey stick" scandal (know what that is?) proves it. Continually going back to it doesn't make it credible.

Read the article.

I read part of the article. Enough to know the author sounds embittered and has a different set of facts than the generally accepted set of facts.

For example, all the names listed above are scientists who contributed to
the global report on climate change.

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Listing all 620 names looks impressive. Should I list the 31,000 I have or is the link good enough?

Maybe this weekend when I have more time. I'll put, I don't know, a hundred names per post. That'll make about 31 posts for the weekend.

In the meantime:

Global Warming Petition Project

Wisconsin alone has almost as many names as the IPCC.

Thanks to real scientists.

At first glance, the petition site you mention looks like a plausible cause for consideration of the other side of the 'debate'. Then I looked at a few forums debunking the petition list.

Here's one of the "real scientists" you mention, Dr. Earl Aagaard, the first on the list:

1. ADVENTISTS AFFIRM : Affirming Creation
www.adventistsaffirm.org/artic - [Cached]

Published on: 3/20/2006 Last Visited: 12/28/2007
Dr. Earl Aagaard, of Pacific Union College's biology department, wrote "The Importance of the Intelligent Design Theory for Seventh-day Adventists." He invites us to vaccinate ourselves against all seductive materialistic influences and to make it abundantly clear that we accept the Bible account of Creation as true.

above from Solved: Global Warming - Page 295 - Tech Support Guy Forums -

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I'm convinced global warming is happening.

I'm not convinced, though I am inclined to believe, that deforestation and the use of fossil fuels are among the chief reasons.

Originally Posted by kmfarm

More evidence that a consensus has not been reached. Maybe these folks are all wrong too.

ABC 33/40 Weather Blog AMS Survey of Weathercasters on Climate Change

This is not a debate on whether global warming is happening, it is a survey on whether human activity is a chief cause.

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Sorry, had to come back to this racist statement.

Global warming started way before this president. I have never blamed Obama for the hoax. I will blame him for the Cap and Trade scheme if he signs it. But that's because he would be using the hoax to pass the worlds largest government revenue generator.

That's a legitimate issue, because of policy, not race.

Bold above added by me.

Global warming is happening.

Better safe than sorry.

Originally Posted by kmfarm

More Idiocy from overseas that'll soon be here.

Cutting down every tree in sight and importing trees to support this stupid "biomass" junk.

I don't know how environmentalist keep their head on straight. Burn trees to save the planet, but then complain about deforestation.

What's next, cut down the rest of the rain forest just to feed "biomass" plants?

GO GREEN!!

Britain cuts down forests to keep green power stations burning - Times Online

Stop with the "more idiocy" remarks.

Who said environmentalists were doing this?! It's a power company - the same kind of company that burns coal and oil to generate power.

Regards,
Keith

[keith]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Does this qualify as rude and dismissive? Just wondering.

Nope, I'm not wrong. Sorry.

BTW, did you ever find that source I asked you about or will you admit you're wrong?

Keep it up, Mark.

A good debate is fine. Finding every opportunity to jab and twist is not.

I'm digressing from the argument to tell you this stopped being educational or amusing a while ago. Now it is more of a two-fold chore, one to keep it civil and two, to let others know that you are not an unchallenged mouthpiece for this online community.

The personal jabs you litter your posts with are at best irksome, and at worst borderline intolerable. I find myself constantly confronted with the temptation to reply in kind. That's not the way I want to conduct myself here, nor the example I want to set for fellow mods and members.

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Here's yet another 98 pages of science (not rude political hate-filled blather) that you can all once again ignore.

But here it is, again.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...te_at_last.pdf

Stop the remarks like "...that you can all once again ignore."

From the article you linked to: "As we shall conclusively demonstrate, there is in fact no anthropogenic signal whatsoever in the temperature record."

I don't buy for a moment that human activity has no effect whatsoever on climate.

Regards,
Keith

[keith]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Carefull, you're getting close to being rude and dismissive.

That's O.K. at least you're trying. The only difference between your articles and mine are that I'm showing lunacy and ignorance with real stories, yours are satire. But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me. Unless you go to Wikipedia and type in global warming too. ROFLMAO!

But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.

The satire is good, pk.

Mark, "...at least you're trying." Do you even begin to realize how patronizing you sound?

"But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me." It isn't a case of finding something legitimate to dispute you, it's a case of using satire to show you how far you're reaching to try to prove a point.

[keith]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

You mean I haven't yet achieved any credibility with you? How will I sleep? lol lol!.........

You're achieving less credibility all the time with snotty remarks like this, Mark. You continue the tradition of "I thought smart people knew that," and "...at least you're trying," and many, many others.

This seems to be moving from debate on which idea is superior to "who" is superior.

Second warning my friend.

Three strikes and you're outta here.

Feel free to PM or call me or to respond here or in a new thread.

Regards,
Keith

[kmfarm]

Cool, some substance.

Originally Posted by keith

I read part of the article. Enough to know the author sounds embittered and has a different set of facts than the generally accepted set of facts.

So because an author "sounds embittered" to you that means they are to be dismissed? Greenpeace protesters always sound embittered to me.

Originally Posted by keith

At first glance, the petition site you mention looks like a plausible cause for consideration of the other side of the 'debate'. Then I looked at a few forums debunking the petition list.

Here's one of the "real scientists" you mention, Dr. Earl Aagaard, the first on the list:

1. ADVENTISTS AFFIRM : Affirming Creation
www.adventistsaffirm.org/artic - [Cached]

Published on: 3/20/2006 Last Visited: 12/28/2007
Dr. Earl Aagaard, of Pacific Union College's biology department, wrote "The Importance of the Intelligent Design Theory for Seventh-day Adventists." He invites us to vaccinate ourselves against all seductive materialistic influences and to make it abundantly clear that we accept the Bible account of Creation as true.

above from Solved: Global Warming - Page 295 - Tech Support Guy Forums -

So because a scientist believes in God, he has no credibility? Does a good scientist have to be an atheist? Any IPCC contributors believe in God?

The bulk of the "issues" with the petition list are the bogus names that appear. Partisans (as you like to call them) have been planting bogus "mickey mouse" names on the list for years. Then the "partisans" use those names as "proof" that the whole list is bogus. That list is constantly updated and cleaned of the bogus names. But more always show up.

But if you don't like that list, I could re-post the list of 700 scientists (still more than yours) that wrote the Senate disupting MMGW.

Originally Posted by keith

I'm convinced global warming is happening.

Of course it is. Since the last ice age.

Originally Posted by keith

I'm not convinced, though I am inclined to believe, that deforestation and the use of fossil fuels are among the chief reasons.

There's our difference. You believe. I use the science. IPCC has no science showing a man-made link. The IPCC reports are opinion and theory. De-bunked opinion and theory.

All science shows that CO2 follows warming, it doesn't drive it.

Deforestation? That's exactly why I linked the article on the bio-mass plant.

Originally Posted by keith

Better safe than sorry.

Again, that's where I seperate. That's not a good position for the United States or other world governments. Better safe than sorry? That's not a good scientific position. And it's certainly not a good reason to pass thousand page bills spending trillions of dollars.

Originally Posted by keith

Who said environmentalists were doing this?! It's a power company - the same kind of company that burns coal and oil to generate power.

Nope, it's not the same kind as the ones burning coal and oil. It's the same kind as the ones with solar panels and windmills. Causing more harm than good. Environmentalists drive those policies.

The reason I'm screaming from the rooftop, is because this entire debate is just starting. But politicians, specifically the United Nations, are pushing for a global policy to drain money from every "rich" country to give to "poor" countries.

We're talking trillions.

I refuse to believe that it's stupid to speak out against a United Nations utopia that is based on a theory

I've posted enough science to completely disprove that theory. MMGW is simply a hoax.

You know it won't be long until your regular light bulbs won't be available. You'll be forced to use the more expensive mercury filled squiggly bulbs. Ever read the EPA instructions for disposal of those? Those bulbs have to be manufactured in China. Because we don't care if they get sick and die from making them.

Google that for some fun.

That's only the beginning of policies that are driven by pseudo-scientific "proof".

Thank you George Bush.

[kmfarm]

The IPCC is exposed!

Hackers (or insiders) have released private e-mails of the scientists pushing global warming. They show collusion and data manipulation.

Take some time and read this stuff. It's important and it's a bombshell.

Hadley hacked: warmist conspiracy exposed? | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog

From the hacked Hadley CRU files: IPCC lead author's private admission: 'The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.' | GORE LIED

[kmfarm]

More evidence that global warming is a tool to get to "global governance".

The new president of the European Union openly speaks of it.

YouTube- New EU president confirms New World Order desire (19Nov09)

YouTube- New EU president confirms New World Order desire (19Nov09)

[kmfarm]

So why is the hacking of these files important?

Partial quote:

These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM).

End quote

The Death Blow to Climate Science

Funny thing is, nobodys happy that the world isn't going to burn up. Everyone can relax. The proof is out there.

That's all the proof you should need that MMGW is political. World leaders should be jumping for joy that they don't have to "save the world" by driving us all back to the stone age.

But that's not what it's about, is it?

[kmfarm]

This story is funny!

Al Gore Wishes He Never Invented The Internet - Minnesotans For Global Warming

George Will always has something good to quote. For example:

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

RealClearPolitics - Oil's Expanding Frontiers

Consensus on global warming? I find contridictions everyday in single articles. For example:

"It is incontrovertible" that the world is warming as a result of human actions, Trenberth said. "The question to me is what to do."

In his new book, "Science as a Contact Sport: Inside the Battle to Save the Earth's Climate," Stanford University climate scientist Stephen H. Schneider details the intense debate over warming, arguing that it has helped slow the nation's public policy response.

Stolen e-mails reveal venomous feelings toward skeptics-washingtonpost.com

"Consensus" is a lie.

[kmfarm]

Here's a quote that kind of says it all when it comes to the credibility of the IPCC and global warming scientists.

From the hacked e-mails:

I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC , which were not always the same.

small dead animals: The Sound Of All Hell Breaking Loose: Now Searchable!

But the alarmists will not go down without a fight. That's for sure. The amount of money invested in global warming is too huge to just let go.

“there are too many vested interests in AGW, with far too much to lose either in terms of reputation or money, for this to end without a bitter fight.”

Belmont Club The CRU Hack

[kmfarm]

Think this propaganda is just a little over the top? Good video for the enviro-kids. It's produced by a group that wants to eliminate airplanes. Yeah, that's realistic.

YouTube- Polar Bear

YouTube- Polar Bear

[kmfarm]

Another article on the IPCC bombshell.

Partial quote:

Most important, however, these revelations of fudged science should have a cooling effect on global-warming hysteria and the panicked policies that are being pushed forward to address the unproven theory.

End quote.

EDITORIAL: Hiding evidence of global cooling - Washington Times

Now this is interesting. Now that the global warming scientists (IPCC) have been exposed, the chairman of the IPCC says that global warming isn't really a big deal anyway. Never has been.

Partial quote:

The question is whether the additional time that the world would now have to arrive at an agreement at the next Conference of the Parties in Mexico will give us time and space to look at the larger problem of unsustainable development, of which climate change is at best a symptom.

End quote.

It's still all about money and spreading it around. Just a different "cause".

Dr R K Pachauri's Blog

[kmfarm]

CBS new has picked up on the big scandal.

Partial quote:

The irony of this situation is that most of us expect science to be conducted in the open, without unpublished secret data, hidden agendas, and computer programs of dubious reliability. East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit might have avoided this snafu by publicly disclosing as much as possible at every step of the way.

End quote.

That would have been nice, but not realistic considering their agenda.

Congress May Probe Leaked Global Warming E-Mails - Taking Liberties - CBS News

With all this controversy, we still get silly stories like this one:

BBC News - Climate 'is a major cause' of conflict in Africa

Are these people that stupid?

First of all, the climate hasn't warmed for 10 years, so by their definition, things should be calm.

Second, maybe they should look at the history of "Africa". The weather has nothing to do with their conflicts. Besides, "Africa" is a pretty big continent. So that's a pretty generalized statement. But the story is about the area known as the Sahara Desert. Fact is, the Sahara is shrinking!

The goal is to give them "global warming guilt money" dispersed via the United Nations. In other words, worldwide socialism. This is just more proof that global warming is a tool for the U.N. to get to "global governence". Where do you think you'll end up in this global utopia?

Here's the quote:

At next month's UN climate summit in Copenhagen, governments are due to debate how much money to put into helping African countries prepare for and adapt to impacts of climate change.

End quote.

[kmfarm]

Well they're throwing this guy under the bus. The cover-up continues.

Scientist in climate change 'cover-up' storm told to quit | Mail Online

Another article from the UK. They're upset because they've already embraced carbon taxes and energy rationing. So I don't think they're to happy about being duped.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...arianism.thtml

Another scare story from some IPCC guys. Just in time for Copenhagen. Funny thing though, with all the scary stories about sea level rises and coastal areas being under water, I don't see anyone making plans to move away from these low areas. New York, L.A., D.C., Miami, Seattle, etc.

Wouldn't you think someone ought to be making plans? Unless...........

Sea Level Rising Faster Than Forecast, Scientists Say (Correct) - Bloomberg.com

This is funny:

YouTube- Hide The Decline - Climategate

YouTube- Hide The Decline - Climategate

[kmfarm]

Now fraud is found in New Zealand.

Partial quote:

We have discovered that the warming in New Zealand over the past 156 years was indeed man-made, but it had nothing to do with emissions of CO2—it was created by man-made adjustments of the temperature. It’s a disgrace.

End quote

Uh, oh – raw data in New Zealand tells a different story than the “official” one. Watts Up With That?

Good Australian article. Clearly, the press has no interest in the truth.

Partial quote:

The fact it was a retired statistician and not a news organisation pounding the FOI (freedom of information) requests that precipitated this flood of information is a sad reflection on the state of journalism.

End quote

Climate Change | Leaked Emails | Climate Sceptics

A BBC correspondent admits he got copies of the "hacked" e-mails weeks earlier but sat on them. But now that the scandal is rolling, he'll write a blog. I guess incompetent left wing media is a world-wide problem.

Partial quote.

Hudson does not explain why he sat on the controversial information for so long, but added: 'I do intend to write a blog regarding the CRU being hacked into, and the possible implications of this very serious affair.'

End quote

Climate change scandal: BBC expert was sent 'cover-up' emails a month before they were made public | Mail Online

Bet prepared folks, all of your public school materials will have to be changed to the truth. That'll cost money.

[kmfarm]

One expert says that MMGW was a fraud all along.

Pajamas Media Vincent Gray on Climategate: ‘There Was Proof of Fraud All Along’ (PJM Exclusive)

Others believe, like me, that it's about a takeover.

Pajamas Media Climategate: It’s the Totalitarianism, Stupid

Now, members of the IPCC (united natons) are calling for the expulsion of these scientists. Maybe even the disbanding of the IPCC itself.

Why? Because it has no credibility. Even the believers are starting to examine their faith.

http://coast.gkss.de/staff/zorita/myview.html

A Climate Scientist Who Engages Skeptics - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

[kmfarm]

This guy has a set that's for sure.

Now that MMGW is proven to be a hoax, he's giving advice on Capitalism. Wanna take advice from a guy that thinks the Earths core is millions of degrees?

Not me.

FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Time is up for short-term thinking in capitalism

Maybe he should toss his IPCC papers and read an old article.

I wonder how many coal fired power plants are on Mars and Pluto?

Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds | LiveScience

Partial quote:

“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets ... Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”

Wow! You mean the Sun controls our temps?! Simply amazing! Someone should start studying this. It's been a couple years since this came out. You'd think a scientist from the IPCC might want to check that out.

[kmfarm]

With the scandal developing, maybe some of us need a reminder as to why these policies related to "saving the planet" hurt more than help.

First, government can't plan. They can only try to push an artificial market. That doesn't work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/27/bu...mPo61HmnZqTvPA

Then, government is still paying some farmers not to plant crops, while at the same time creating corn shortages causing food prices to rise. That means more starving African children. So the reality is, more money out of your pocket and greater world-wide food shortages.

For what? Solving a non-existent problem?

IMF Survey: Some Climate Policies Worsen Food Problems, Panelists Say

Washington Times - Ethanol policies fuel food-price rise

[kmfarm]

Another commentary from Britain. Wierd how all this news and commentary has to come from overseas.

Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama’s Cap and Trade laws – Telegraph Blogs

How do you trust a scientific body that simply tosses raw data? You don't.

Climate change data dumped - Times Online

I wonder how many school kids know that there's now too many polar bears. I wonder if Noah Wyle will do another PSA. An extended hunting season announced in a classroom would be hilarious to hear about from a propagandized school teacher. Maybe I'll bring this up at the next school board meeting and watch heads explode.

Global warming leads to too many polar bears Don Surber

[kmfarm]

Article discussing how "peer review" never actually happened.

Heliogenic Climate Change: David Archibald on Climategate

Why would IPCC (United Nations) scientists fudge the data? Money. Just like I've always said. No big surprise or secret. This is one of the top dogs.

Phil Jones has collected a staggering $22.6 million in grants

[kmfarm]

ABC Sunday news show brought up the global warming scam. Paul Krugman made a fool of himself yet again.

Nobel prize winner employed by the New York Time. Can't get much more "progessive" than that.

Stephanopoulos: ClimateGate Complicates Copenhagen for Obama | NewsBusters.org