WASHINGTON, DC—Braving balmy temperatures and sunny skies, millions of scarfless snowmen and snowwomen gathered in cities across the world Tuesday to raise public awareness about the heavy toll global warming is taking on their health and well-being.
OK, talk about ridiculously reaching for stories to try to prove a point....
One can find just about anything on the web to prove a point.
Carefull, you're getting close to being rude and dismissive.
That's O.K. at least you're trying. The only difference between your articles and mine are that I'm showing lunacy and ignorance with real stories, yours are satire. But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me. Unless you go to Wikipedia and type in global warming too. ROFLMAO!
But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.
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But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.
Good, glad to hear it. More Condom and Prostitution style stories will really add to the credibility you have been trying to achieve.
lol
Really it is amazing what is out there and what is even more amazing and somewhat sad is those that will read these types of stories and actually believe them.
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The IPCC's core claim has no supporting scientific data and only five (5) IPCC reviewers explicitly endorse the claim - not 4,000 as the IPCC repeatedly falsely implies. The IPCC repeatedly implies that its core claim (that human activity caused global warming) is supported by 2,500 or 4,000 scientists. McLean's transparent presentation of IPCC data provided by the IPCC itself shows this is false. The IPCC's core claim is explicitly endorsed by only five (5) reviewers of the IPCC's 2007 report. Just five, and there is doubt they were even scientists.
End quote.
The only "consensus" out there is that the IPCC is a fraud. The recent "hockey stick" scandal (know what that is?) proves it. Continually going back to it doesn't make it credible.
Read the article.
I read part of the article. Enough to know the author sounds embittered and has a different set of facts than the generally accepted set of facts.
For example, all the names listed above are scientists who contributed to
the global report on climate change.
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Listing all 620 names looks impressive. Should I list the 31,000 I have or is the link good enough?
Maybe this weekend when I have more time. I'll put, I don't know, a hundred names per post. That'll make about 31 posts for the weekend.
Wisconsin alone has almost as many names as the IPCC.
Thanks to real scientists.
At first glance, the petition site you mention looks like a plausible cause for consideration of the other side of the 'debate'. Then I looked at a few forums debunking the petition list.
Here's one of the "real scientists" you mention, Dr. Earl Aagaard, the first on the list:
Published on: 3/20/2006 Last Visited: 12/28/2007
Dr. Earl Aagaard, of Pacific Union College's biology department, wrote "The Importance of the Intelligent Design Theory for Seventh-day Adventists." He invites us to vaccinate ourselves against all seductive materialistic influences and to make it abundantly clear that we accept the Bible account of Creation as true.
This is not a debate on whether global warming is happening, it is a survey on whether human activity is a chief cause.
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Sorry, had to come back to this racist statement.
Global warming started way before this president. I have never blamed Obama for the hoax. I will blame him for the Cap and Trade scheme if he signs it. But that's because he would be using the hoax to pass the worlds largest government revenue generator.
That's a legitimate issue, because of policy, not race.
Bold above added by me.
Global warming is happening.
Better safe than sorry.
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More Idiocy from overseas that'll soon be here.
Cutting down every tree in sight and importing trees to support this stupid "biomass" junk.
I don't know how environmentalist keep their head on straight. Burn trees to save the planet, but then complain about deforestation.
What's next, cut down the rest of the rain forest just to feed "biomass" plants?
Does this qualify as rude and dismissive? Just wondering.
Nope, I'm not wrong. Sorry.
BTW, did you ever find that source I asked you about or will you admit you're wrong?
Keep it up, Mark.
A good debate is fine. Finding every opportunity to jab and twist is not.
I'm digressing from the argument to tell you this stopped being educational or amusing a while ago. Now it is more of a two-fold chore, one to keep it civil and two, to let others know that you are not an unchallenged mouthpiece for this online community.
The personal jabs you litter your posts with are at best irksome, and at worst borderline intolerable. I find myself constantly confronted with the temptation to reply in kind. That's not the way I want to conduct myself here, nor the example I want to set for fellow mods and members.
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Here's yet another 98 pages of science (not rude political hate-filled blather) that you can all once again ignore.
Carefull, you're getting close to being rude and dismissive.
That's O.K. at least you're trying. The only difference between your articles and mine are that I'm showing lunacy and ignorance with real stories, yours are satire. But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me. Unless you go to Wikipedia and type in global warming too. ROFLMAO!
But thank you, you've inspired me to find more. Don't worry, it's easy to find.
The satire is good, pk.
Mark, "...at least you're trying." Do you even begin to realize how patronizing you sound?
"But I understand, you can't find anything legit to dispute me." It isn't a case of finding something legitimate to dispute you, it's a case of using satire to show you how far you're reaching to try to prove a point.
You mean I haven't yet achieved any credibility with you? How will I sleep? lol lol!.........
You're achieving less credibility all the time with snotty remarks like this, Mark. You continue the tradition of "I thought smart people knew that," and "...at least you're trying," and many, many others.
This seems to be moving from debate on which idea is superior to "who" is superior.
Second warning my friend.
Three strikes and you're outta here.
Feel free to PM or call me or to respond here or in a new thread.
I read part of the article. Enough to know the author sounds embittered and has a different set of facts than the generally accepted set of facts.
So because an author "sounds embittered" to you that means they are to be dismissed? Greenpeace protesters always sound embittered to me.
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At first glance, the petition site you mention looks like a plausible cause for consideration of the other side of the 'debate'. Then I looked at a few forums debunking the petition list.
Here's one of the "real scientists" you mention, Dr. Earl Aagaard, the first on the list:
Published on: 3/20/2006 Last Visited: 12/28/2007
Dr. Earl Aagaard, of Pacific Union College's biology department, wrote "The Importance of the Intelligent Design Theory for Seventh-day Adventists." He invites us to vaccinate ourselves against all seductive materialistic influences and to make it abundantly clear that we accept the Bible account of Creation as true.
So because a scientist believes in God, he has no credibility? Does a good scientist have to be an atheist? Any IPCC contributors believe in God?
The bulk of the "issues" with the petition list are the bogus names that appear. Partisans (as you like to call them) have been planting bogus "mickey mouse" names on the list for years. Then the "partisans" use those names as "proof" that the whole list is bogus. That list is constantly updated and cleaned of the bogus names. But more always show up.
But if you don't like that list, I could re-post the list of 700 scientists (still more than yours) that wrote the Senate disupting MMGW.
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I'm convinced global warming is happening.
Of course it is. Since the last ice age.
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I'm not convinced, though I am inclined to believe, that deforestation and the use of fossil fuels are among the chief reasons.
There's our difference. You believe. I use the science. IPCC has no science showing a man-made link. The IPCC reports are opinion and theory. De-bunked opinion and theory.
All science shows that CO2 follows warming, it doesn't drive it.
Deforestation? That's exactly why I linked the article on the bio-mass plant.
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Better safe than sorry.
Again, that's where I seperate. That's not a good position for the United States or other world governments. Better safe than sorry? That's not a good scientific position. And it's certainly not a good reason to pass thousand page bills spending trillions of dollars.
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Who said environmentalists were doing this?! It's a power company - the same kind of company that burns coal and oil to generate power.
Nope, it's not the same kind as the ones burning coal and oil. It's the same kind as the ones with solar panels and windmills. Causing more harm than good. Environmentalists drive those policies.
The reason I'm screaming from the rooftop, is because this entire debate is just starting. But politicians, specifically the United Nations, are pushing for a global policy to drain money from every "rich" country to give to "poor" countries.
We're talking trillions.
I refuse to believe that it's stupid to speak out against a United Nations utopia that is based on a theory
I've posted enough science to completely disprove that theory. MMGW is simply a hoax.
You know it won't be long until your regular light bulbs won't be available. You'll be forced to use the more expensive mercury filled squiggly bulbs. Ever read the EPA instructions for disposal of those? Those bulbs have to be manufactured in China. Because we don't care if they get sick and die from making them.
Google that for some fun.
That's only the beginning of policies that are driven by pseudo-scientific "proof".
Thank you George Bush.
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These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM).
Funny thing is, nobodys happy that the world isn't going to burn up. Everyone can relax. The proof is out there.
That's all the proof you should need that MMGW is political. World leaders should be jumping for joy that they don't have to "save the world" by driving us all back to the stone age.
But that's not what it's about, is it?
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Consensus on global warming? I find contridictions everyday in single articles. For example:
"It is incontrovertible" that the world is warming as a result of human actions, Trenberth said. "The question to me is what to do."
In his new book, "Science as a Contact Sport: Inside the Battle to Save the Earth's Climate," Stanford University climate scientist Stephen H. Schneider details the intense debate over warming, arguing that it has helped slow the nation's public policy response.
But the alarmists will not go down without a fight. That's for sure. The amount of money invested in global warming is too huge to just let go.
“there are too many vested interests in AGW, with far too much to lose either in terms of reputation or money, for this to end without a bitter fight.”
Think this propaganda is just a little over the top? Good video for the enviro-kids. It's produced by a group that wants to eliminate airplanes. Yeah, that's realistic.
Most important, however, these revelations of fudged science should have a cooling effect on global-warming hysteria and the panicked policies that are being pushed forward to address the unproven theory.
Now this is interesting. Now that the global warming scientists (IPCC) have been exposed, the chairman of the IPCC says that global warming isn't really a big deal anyway. Never has been.
Partial quote:
The question is whether the additional time that the world would now have to arrive at an agreement at the next Conference of the Parties in Mexico will give us time and space to look at the larger problem of unsustainable development, of which climate change is at best a symptom.
End quote.
It's still all about money and spreading it around. Just a different "cause".
The irony of this situation is that most of us expect science to be conducted in the open, without unpublished secret data, hidden agendas, and computer programs of dubious reliability. East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit might have avoided this snafu by publicly disclosing as much as possible at every step of the way.
End quote.
That would have been nice, but not realistic considering their agenda.
First of all, the climate hasn't warmed for 10 years, so by their definition, things should be calm.
Second, maybe they should look at the history of "Africa". The weather has nothing to do with their conflicts. Besides, "Africa" is a pretty big continent. So that's a pretty generalized statement. But the story is about the area known as the Sahara Desert. Fact is, the Sahara is shrinking!
The goal is to give them "global warming guilt money" dispersed via the United Nations. In other words, worldwide socialism. This is just more proof that global warming is a tool for the U.N. to get to "global governence". Where do you think you'll end up in this global utopia?
Here's the quote:
At next month's UN climate summit in Copenhagen, governments are due to debate how much money to put into helping African countries prepare for and adapt to impacts of climate change.
End quote.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Another article from the UK. They're upset because they've already embraced carbon taxes and energy rationing. So I don't think they're to happy about being duped.
Another scare story from some IPCC guys. Just in time for Copenhagen. Funny thing though, with all the scary stories about sea level rises and coastal areas being under water, I don't see anyone making plans to move away from these low areas. New York, L.A., D.C., Miami, Seattle, etc.
Wouldn't you think someone ought to be making plans? Unless...........
We have discovered that the warming in New Zealand over the past 156 years was indeed man-made, but it had nothing to do with emissions of CO2—it was created by man-made adjustments of the temperature. It’s a disgrace.
Good Australian article. Clearly, the press has no interest in the truth.
Partial quote:
The fact it was a retired statistician and not a news organisation pounding the FOI (freedom of information) requests that precipitated this flood of information is a sad reflection on the state of journalism.
A BBC correspondent admits he got copies of the "hacked" e-mails weeks earlier but sat on them. But now that the scandal is rolling, he'll write a blog. I guess incompetent left wing media is a world-wide problem.
Partial quote.
Hudson does not explain why he sat on the controversial information for so long, but added: 'I do intend to write a blog regarding the CRU being hacked into, and the possible implications of this very serious affair.'
Now that MMGW is proven to be a hoax, he's giving advice on Capitalism. Wanna take advice from a guy that thinks the Earths core is millions of degrees?
“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets ... Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”
Wow! You mean the Sun controls our temps?! Simply amazing! Someone should start studying this. It's been a couple years since this came out. You'd think a scientist from the IPCC might want to check that out.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Then, government is still paying some farmers not to plant crops, while at the same time creating corn shortages causing food prices to rise. That means more starving African children. So the reality is, more money out of your pocket and greater world-wide food shortages.
I wonder how many school kids know that there's now too many polar bears. I wonder if Noah Wyle will do another PSA. An extended hunting season announced in a classroom would be hilarious to hear about from a propagandized school teacher. Maybe I'll bring this up at the next school board meeting and watch heads explode.
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