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[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by Planet Label

Fox News is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party, they unabashedly promote conservative causes in lieu of reporting the actual facts. Your tough guy approach to debate is annoying, I will let you continue on your 10 page wingnut rant.

Enjoy talking to yourself.

For those out there that are realists and not alarmists, this type of intellectually empty statement is a classic liberal tactic.

They change the debate when they're losing. Don't fall for it. Stick to the facts. Then hold up mirror to them. They can't take it.

[pk]

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[pk]

Your tough guy approach to debate is annoying, I will let you continue on your 10 page wingnut rant.

Enjoy talking to yourself.

Again it seems we have possibly lost yet another poster due to lack of respect of their right to post their thoughts without being bullied on this forum.

I again post the 'RULES'.

Please everyone remember to follow them!

[Planet Label]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

For those out there that are realists and not alarmists, this type of intellectually empty statement is a classic liberal tactic.

They change the debate when they're losing. Don't fall for it. Stick to the facts. Then hold up mirror to them. They can't take it.

A "realist" that's comical, you're in a perpetual state of denial. Stick to the facts? I would encourage you to do the same rather than cherry pick junk science being passed off as fact from Fox News.

"Classic Liberal tactic," "intellectually empty," please. You're backing up your argument against fact with name calling.

[keith]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

For those out there that are realists and not alarmists, this type of intellectually empty statement is a classic liberal tactic.

They change the debate when they're losing. Don't fall for it. Stick to the facts. Then hold up mirror to them. They can't take it.

You're using another tactic yourself, Mark. Rather than take issue with the argument you play it down as an empty tactic.

Your contributions to these forums is reminding me of the tactics in Town Hall meetings last Summer - go in and make a ruckus to disrupt real conversation and replace it with shouting.

Please have the courtesy to acknowledge new people and to keep the arguments on a conversational level.

This is a warning, Mark. The same one I'd make to a liberal who was as bellicose. Please take heed.

Some of the Mods have suggested that we do away with national political topics. I respectfully disagree. Health care, global warming - while these are national and international in scope - these issues affect Wisconsin people and are a fitting topic for discussion. POLITE discussion.

Regards,
Keith

[pk]

Some of the Mods have suggested that we do away with national political topics. I respectfully disagree. Health care, global warming - while these are national and international in scope - these issues affect Wisconsin people and are a fitting topic for discussion. POLITE discussion.

I was for removing the Political topics but then I asked myself, is it really the topics or the way a few seem to reply to them that bothers me? The answer....I agree, the topics are very important and I agree that we should have them here for POLITE discussion.

Thank you Keith for pointing that out (again).

I will also add that it would be interesting to follow along with what is going on in our own state as far as Political discussions and would like to see more discussions concerning Wisconsin issues placed in this forum.

[kmfarm]

Well, after being called a bully, close minded, not looking at facts, have blinders on, warned by Keith, I've decided to cool down and take a look at my position and hopefully become a better, smarter person.

Based on this statement:

Originally Posted by Planet Label

A "realist" that's comical, you're in a perpetual state of denial. Stick to the facts? I would encourage you to do the same rather than cherry pick junk science being passed off as fact from Fox News.

FOX was brought up several times. Apparantly I'm spreading FOX propaganda. So in the spirit of open-mindedness, I thought I'd see how many "cherry picked" articles I've used.

BTW, as a side note, MSNBC and others were in the White House this week getting their talking points for their shows (Olberman and Maddow). The White House also e-mails MSNBC while on air.

Maddow/Olbermann Invited to White House Chat with Obama, But Fox Isn't a News Organization? - mediabistro.com: TVNewser

JammieWearingFool-White House E-Mailing MSNBC During Shows

But whatever, let's not quible.

Out of the hundreds of links and references I've used in this thread, I've used a total of 5 from FOX. This action has made my whole arguement to be without credibility I guess. I just want to know why.

Please help me.

I'm asking for help to understand. Can anyone show me what is incorrect in any of these 5 articles? Please, tell me. I promise never to use FOX again as a source if I can just see 1 instance of inaccuracy with any of these articles.

Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

Energy Secretary Offers Dire Global Warming Prediction - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Spanish Study Sparks Skepticism About Green Jobs - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Google Gets Goats to Mow Lawn at Company Headquarters - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

Still another record-low temperature at International Falls | FOX21Online.com

I am open mindedly waiting for anyone to respond and straighten me out.

[pk]

Well, after being called a bully,

I merely asked: "Just wondering, has anyone ever called you a bully as you grew up?" I did not actually 'call' you a 'bully'.

But then I did add: "then when anyone (especially the new members) come on with their thoughts on the subject you bully them until they go away."

So I suppose if you are a sensitive kind of guy you could have taken that offensively so for my slip in poor judgment of words I do apologize.


Oh, one last thing:



>You can have your "little old lady" forum...(directed at me, and by the way...I'm not old yet.)


>Hopefully it's not too late to get the attention of idiot politicians.


> how dumb they are


> (if you have a brain)


> perpetrated by money hungry political bodies.


> These nutty alarmists


> The President of the United States of American, the worlds greatest position of authority, The guy who's pushing carbon taxes, says.........

Our water is contaminated by carbon dioxide!

Idiot


> Nah, I don't want to be another nutjob



> High profle nutjob.


> Prince Charles, the guy who has never had a real job, lives a life of luxery, pampered to no end, is giving us 96 monthes (he calculated) to save the world because............


> How does anyone take these clowns seriously?


> And the nutjob hypocrite. NYC Mayor doesn't follow his own policies.



Just wanted to add a few KMFARM insults and name calling to show that maybe perhaps my mild slip wasn't so bad after all now was it. lol


Now lets get back to the actual topic at hand....LASTEST GLOBAL WARMING NEWS and banish the name calling and complaining please.

Happy posting.

[pk]

I've decided to cool down and take a look at my position and hopefully become a better, smarter person.

Oh almost forgot what I really wanted to add....

thank you for the above comment.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Please help me.

I'm asking for help to understand. Can anyone show me what is incorrect in any of these 5 articles? Please, tell me. I promise never to use FOX again as a source if I can just see 1 instance of inaccuracy with any of these articles.

Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

Energy Secretary Offers Dire Global Warming Prediction - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Spanish Study Sparks Skepticism About Green Jobs - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Google Gets Goats to Mow Lawn at Company Headquarters - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

Still another record-low temperature at International Falls | FOX21Online.com

I am open mindedly waiting for anyone to respond and straighten me out.

Anyone????

[Planet Label]

Why doesn't the article Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking offer any explanation for the growth?

A study by NASA and the British Antarctic Survey explaining the thaw in the Arctic and the ice growth in the Antarctic.

Growing Antarctic sea ice linked to damaged ozone | Green Business | Reuters

This is from the source that Fox News used for their story, why didn't it make the cut???

Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

I wonder why Fox chose not to report on the situation in the North Pole?

[Planet Label]

Just poking around on the NASA website I found more articles relating to ice losses in the Arctic than I have time to read. I guess for a "news" organization that bills itself as "Fair and Balanced" I would expect that they would report on the situation as a whole rather than cherry picking a specific geographic location in Antarctica that strengthens their case against the fact that Global Warming is taking place.

NASA - Arctic Sea Ice Continues to Decline, Arctic Temperatures Continue to Rise In 2005

[kmfarm]

O.K. You don't dispute any facts in the articles, you just don't like the way they're written.

Fair enough. I can see why that would destroy hundreds of other facts. But I'll be the bigger person and say you're right, that story is bogus, FOX has no credibility. I have no allegiance to FOX, Republicans or anyone else. I don't have enough time to list all the Republicans that repulse me. But I don't discuss them because they are irrelevant. They have no control or power over anything. So they don't matter.

I would ask the Mod's or Keith to pull any and all posts I have made that use anything related to FOX.

As long as we're talking sources, I'm still waiting for any source that supports this:

Originally Posted by Planet Label

Uhh, quite the opposite, money is behind the denial of global warming. There's far more money at stake in preserving current wasteful manufacturing and transportation systems than there could be in cleaning it up.

Finally, if you want to continue using the government as your source, go right ahead. I'll use independant scientific sources.

Like this one that addresses the Arctic Ice situation. This is from yesterday, not 4 years ago like your source. Arctic Ice grew by 1 1/2 times the size of Texas.

Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus An Honest Climate Debate

I look forward to your next challenge now that we've eliminated FOX.

[kmfarm]

Well, the Chinese seem to think we're in for a 20 year cool down.

Partial quote:

it is high time to reconsider the trend of global climate change.

This warning is especially appropriate in light of Zhen-Shan and Xian's demonstration of CO2's less-than-dominant role in the global warming of the last hundred and twenty years (which may itself be inflated)

End quote.

CO2 Science-Chinese Scientists Predict Imminent Global Cooling

[kmfarm]

As facts and truth come into the light of day, more and more people are waking up. And it's across all party lines.

The latest data shows that only 36% now believe in man made global warming. 33% don't believe in it at all. Makes sense considering we've been cooling for over 10 years. That would, of course, explain the political decision to change the term to "climate change".

I don't fall for that one, the climate changes twice a day everyday. Once when the sun comes up, once when the sun goes down.

Fewer Americans See Solid Evidence of Global Warming: Overview - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

[kmfarm]

True science shows that CO2 is having no impact on ocean temps.

Study: Ocean net heat flow is connected with climate shifts – CO2 not correlated – no “warming in the pipeline” Watts Up With That?

Well, if you have a pet, your killing the planet in the same way as driving as SUV. Get rid of all pets and we can forget Cap and Trade and stop worrying about global warming.

Partial quote:

"If you have a German shepherd or similar-sized dog, for example, its impact every year is exactly the same as driving a large car around," Brenda Vale said.

"A lot of people worry about having SUVs but they don't worry about having Alsatians and what we are saying is, well, maybe you should be because the environmental impact ... is comparable."

End quote.

Geez, between eliminating pets and population control, we're home free.

Save the planet: time to eat dog - environment | Stuff.co.nz

[Planet Label]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

Well, the Chinese seem to think we're in for a 20 year cool down.

Partial quote:

it is high time to reconsider the trend of global climate change.

This warning is especially appropriate in light of Zhen-Shan and Xian's demonstration of CO2's less-than-dominant role in the global warming of the last hundred and twenty years (which may itself be inflated)

End quote.

CO2 Science-Chinese Scientists Predict Imminent Global Cooling

Oh boy, good thing. The Chinese are bar none the largest contributor of green house gas emissions.

[Planet Label]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

O.K. You don't dispute any facts in the articles, you just don't like the way they're written.

Fair enough. I can see why that would destroy hundreds of other facts. But I'll be the bigger person and say you're right, that story is bogus, FOX has no credibility. I have no allegiance to FOX, Republicans or anyone else. I don't have enough time to list all the Republicans that repulse me. But I don't discuss them because they are irrelevant. They have no control or power over anything. So they don't matter.

I would ask the Mod's or Keith to pull any and all posts I have made that use anything related to FOX.

As long as we're talking sources, I'm still waiting for any source that supports this:



Finally, if you want to continue using the government as your source, go right ahead. I'll use independant scientific sources.

Like this one that addresses the Arctic Ice situation. This is from yesterday, not 4 years ago like your source. Arctic Ice grew by 1 1/2 times the size of Texas.

Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus An Honest Climate Debate

I look forward to your next challenge now that we've eliminated FOX.

Based on your post I can see why you are a Fox News fan. You either didn't read what I wrote, or just cherry picked excerpts to react to. I didn't say that the Fox News story was factually incorrect at all.

The article I cited would be similar to writing a story about how great the economy is doing right now, and then going on to highlight a few companies that happen to be prospering despite an overwhelming majority of businesses that are hurting. The story neglects to report on the big picture.

By the way, if you don't put any stock in satellite photos from NASA as a credible source then fine. Keep quoting Rupert Murdoch and friends.

[Planet Label]

Originally Posted by kmfarm

As long as we're talking sources, I'm still waiting for any source that supports this:

If you want a source, go read the IPCC's (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reports.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by Planet Label

Based on your post I can see why you are a Fox News fan...... Keep quoting Rupert Murdoch and friends.

We've moved on from anything FOX related. Please move on. Your DNC talking points are tiring. I've admitted the illegitimacy of FOX, so please let it go.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by Planet Label

If you want a source, go read the IPCC's (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reports.

I was waiting for your source on your statement. If you read any of my posts, you'd see that the IPCC is the only source for the theory of global warming and has been debunked by thousands of independant scientists.

The IPCC is a U.N. funded governement body. You believe them. I'll believe real science.

[Planet Label]

Its clear to me at this point that your MO here is to debunk any source that isn't your own, or that doesn't coincide with you set of beliefs. You will continually spin and deny regardless of the validity (scientific or otherwise) the facts and opinions of anyone that opposes what you say.

Debating with people like you is a waste of time.

[kmfarm]

Originally Posted by Planet Label

Its clear to me at this point that your MO here is to debunk any source that isn't your own, or that doesn't coincide with you set of beliefs. You will continually spin and deny regardless of the validity (scientific or otherwise) the facts and opinions of anyone that opposes what you say.

Debating with people like you is a waste of time.

I remember an old saying about a pot and kettle........

Oh well, take away the FOX boggie man and there's no substance left I guess.

Whatever, on we go..............

The NASA government employee (I won't call him a scientist) that started this whole global warming hoax, is exposed again

He said in interviews long ago, that parts of New York city would be under water by now.

Partial quote:

“The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”

End quote.

A little known 20 year old climate change prediction by Dr. James Hansen – that failed badly Watts Up With That?

Here's a nice concise lesson on climate change/global warming from a PhD, degreed in atmospheric science.

ABC 33/40 Weather Blog Global warming – A review

[kmfarm]

The IPCC (U.N. government body) is shown to be a political, not scientific.

Roger Pielke Jr.'s Blog: IPCC Advocate in Chief

IPCC is shown to have no scientific credibility again. The IPCC is where NASA and all other government bodies and alarmists get their information.

The Collapse Of Credibility At The International Panel On Climate Change - Nuclear Power Industry News

[kmfarm]

50 articles question the IPCC's (United Nations) credibility. Read them and judge for yourself.

The IPCC under the Microscope

This is a letter of real science submitted to Congress last spring. It was given to the group writing the Cap and Trade bill.

It was, of course, ignored. Probably not even read. Because Cap and Trade is about getting more of our money to the government kitty, not about science or even the climate.

It highlights 50 "red flags" in the IPCC report. It shows real and historical scientific data and compares it to the manipulated and phoney data used by the IPCC.

It's 54 pages. Read it and judge for yourself. Warning! It contains real science. Not for the easily bored or closed minded individual.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...ton_letter.pdf