My cattle rancher buddy recently installed a methane recovery system to power his beef production operation. At this point, he's still on the fence on whether or not it's going to pay-off. He's hoping it won't take 110 years to recoup his expenditure, like Obama's solar panel idea.
Here's the bottom line on the "renewable energy" hoax. It's currently .001 percent of all energy. Obama wants to triple that. Making it .003 percent of all energy. In order to pay for that, Cap and Trade (Obama voters, please look this up) will have to kick in. Simpy put, Cap and Trade will increase the cost of all energy. Gas, electric, heating fuel, etc. Figure an extra $3000 per year out of the pocket of the average household. It'll be more, but that's the number that's accepted right now.
Doesn't seem worth it does it? All under the arrogant assumption that this will affect the worlds climate.
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Kmfarm;
[edited by publisher] Surprised that you think the numbers that need to be looked up are the numbers you just gave. The offense of .001 percent renewable energy, in your minds eye seems fine. That is the problem. Are you sure that you don't think there is something you could do to help the environment. Mabe another seal skin seat cover, hows the mileage from that old 73' Electra you still driven. [edited by publisher] How do we get there then, you know energy independence, just sit back and do nothing while gas is under $2.00 a gallon. How long do you think that is going to last.
Well, first off I believe that the term Eco-Nazi was incorrectly applied.
An Eco-Nazi is someone who is bound and determined to force everyone else to bow to their own perception of environmental problems. This is usually accomplished with scare tactics which today,are usually centered around the completely and totally scientifically unproven theory of global warming.
case in point!
why are so many Eco-Nazis online when they should have all disconnected their power by now to save the planet. perhaps they all have the AL gore syndrome, where as they preach the environment while they themselves waste as much as possible. don't they preach that e-waste is a big problem? then why are they all online with I phones and laptops? perhaps their all using petal powered generators to run the electronics.
I bet not.
personally being a Wisconsinite, I don't see how anyone here could fall for all this.
wasn't the very ground your standing/sitting on under a glacier? huh i wonder, where it went to.
maybe it MELTED, perhaps because the environment WARMED. way, way before the first ford was even conceived, much less built,as the very first black car.
since I live in Kenosha, any time of the week I can go down to Lake Michigan and see the evidence that glaciers have been melting a very long time. I wonder if the natives were upset when the last Wisconsin polar bear disappeared?
probably not, it meant one less thing to worry about eating them.
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Kmfarm;
What you need is a clue! Surprised that you think the numbers that need to be looked up are the numbers you just gave. The offense of .001 percent renewable energy, in your minds eye seems fine. That is the problem. Are you sure that you don't think there is something you could do to help the environment. Mabe another seal skin seat cover, hows the mileage from that old 73' Electra you still driven. Eco-Natzi. How do we get there then, you know energy independence, just sit back and do nothing while gas is under $2.00 a gallon. How long do you think that is going to last.
Thanks for that well thought out intelligent point.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Kmfarm;
What you need is a clue! Surprised that you think the numbers that need to be looked up are the numbers you just gave. The offense of .001 percent renewable energy, in your minds eye seems fine. That is the problem. Are you sure that you don't think there is something you could do to help the environment. Mabe another seal skin seat cover, hows the mileage from that old 73' Electra you still driven. Eco-Natzi. How do we get there then, you know energy independence, just sit back and do nothing while gas is under $2.00 a gallon. How long do you think that is going to last.
[edited by publisher]. Most people want to help the environment but not if its unpractical and will destroy our way of life to do so. Clean energy will come when it is feasible to do so, by forcing it all you do is push the prices so high that no one can afford it.
As for energy independence all we need to do is drill for all the oil that we have right here in the United States as well as use nuclear power. Oh wait though I am sure you took Obama's quote in the campaign without thinking about it. Obama said "The US uses 40% of the worlds oil used each year but we only have 3% of the worlds oil in our ground so if we drilled here in the US we would run out immediately." Now if you think about that a little more we do not even use a fraction of the worlds oil each year so that 40% is a fraction of a fraction of all oil in the world. Thus we have much more oil in our ground than Obama would want you to believe.
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[edited by publisher]Most people want to help the environment but not if its unpractical and will destroy our way of life to do so.
Ok. even though I agree with you on the issue, we need to take a step back here. while someone who has been around the forums for a while may understand that as a comment pertaining to their opinion, not their person, slowtyper is a new member and probably won't. they only made the mistake of jumping into controversy first time on. notice the whole 2 posts. there is another new forum topic here welcoming him/her.
on the other point however, your correct. There are capped oil pumps all over the country. we have plenty of oil here, way more then the government wants you to know about. its just kept in waiting for the days when everyone else runs out and then were the only ones who will have it. can you say "power play".
personally I hope we never have to touch it. by then someone should have found a reasonable alternative.
obviously we haven't yet
We will hopefully soon.
[Publisher note: Thank you for the reminder to be civil, rudedog.]
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Speaking of the capped oil wells, how many people realize that some of the "dry" wells are actually filling back up? No one, and I mean no one knows what we have under the soil.
In the meantime, fanatics want to tell you what color car you can own. What's next? Brown cars? Dark green cars? Purple cars? You can see where I'm going here.
The problem is these fanatics actually believe that this will have some kind of impact on the global climate.
If it takes money out of my pocket, it upsets me, and I'll never back down.
Even the pinhead at NASA that started this whole global warming hoax has admitted that he exaggerated the "science" in order to get attention. Now it's all about money. Imagine that.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Some perspective. I've posted this here before. This is real science. This chart goes back 400,000 years. See a pattern? Anyone actually believe that any government can control this?
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
oops sorry, got a little off tract with that last post.
so here is a suggestion for the eco-nazis, keep the black cars and shrink the size of your massive concrete jungle. I bet the city temps would start to lower a little.
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Please, everyone, let's discuss the issues and refrain from name calling and personal attacks.. attack the issues, not the person, please.. thank you!
Threads can be closed very easily if they get out of hand.. you can post without using words like fanatics, ignorant, or eco-nazis to get your points across.
I don't believe my use of the word fanatic, as I have used it, can be described as a personal attack or name calling. Perhaps a look in the dictionary would help.
Now I did call the NASA guy a pinhead. If he finds that objectionable, he can let me know.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
I don't believe my use of the word fanatic, as I have used it, can be described as a personal attack or name calling. Perhaps a look in the dictionary would help.
Now I did call the NASA guy a pinhead. If he finds that objectionable, he can let me know.
Wow! To admitt Eco-Nazi may not have been used in correct context. My view on RED BULL is to wait an hour after drinking before commenting on this" hot Topic ". Sorry if I offended anyone.
Now the point that I was just trying to make is that. We'er here, the planets here, just like this Forume we need to get along.
To think we as a race impact this planet in no adverse way is extreme, to say the least.
Now if efforts don't begin to accept alternate fuel as an option, my Grand Kids might be sending their tax returns to China, from their sea side home in Arizona.
Once again I preach of the dangers of RED BULL!
We'er here, the planets here, just like this Forum we need to get along.
To think we as a race impact this planet in no adverse way is extreme, to say the least.
I don't think that anyone has said we don't impact the planet. That would be ridiculous to say the least. we most definitly impact the environment around us. we don't believe in the massive world ending global warming scare that has gripped society. its doing allot of damage as far as scared people doing and saying the weirdest things that defy simple common sence. like banning black cars because they get hotter then others, why not just ban all cars in California.
I think they should all go to white pull carts like you see in asia.
no fumes
no animal created methane
and lots of employment. A cart puller, how cool, think about it. the rich and famous out there pay big bucks for that much exercise.
besides at the rate were presently going, were all going to be paying taxes to china soon irregardless.
All hail the united nations of wally world
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I don't think that anyone has said we don't impact the planet. That would be ridiculous to say the least. we most definitly impact the environment around us. we don't believe in the massive world ending global warming scare that has gripped society. its doing allot of damage as far as scared people doing and saying the weirdest things that defy simple common sence.
Comman sense, that's exactly what's missing. Anyone ever research what the U.N. wants to do with global Cap and Trade? I have. It goes way beyond comman sense. If enacted, countries like ours (big polluters) would be taxed to the point where industries would move to more eco-friendly (currently non-industrialized) countries. It's there way of kind of "evening out" the world economy. Say good-bye to our standard of living. We will be brought down to the level of 3rd world countries.
While everyone is patting themselves on the back for "saving the world", we're losing our freedom and independence in the world.
My view, we'll have no impact on the environment with these little symbolic getures. But we will bring down our standard of living to that of Mexico, China, Argentina and Sudan.
But we'll feel better right?
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
The belief that if one looks for a desired response, any statistic will reflect that response. For the most part I believe that only one Establishment in America is more Corrupt than the Government, and that would be the Media. Four Guy's in this country really run the show. Not one is in office, yet can break a President, or Election in half.
Putting the sound advice our Parent's gave us. "Don't believe everything you read."
To abandon all hope of Energy independence really makes all those HPF, bulbs a real kick in the teeth.
No Engineer needed, I talk to the old timers, ( not 400,000years of Data ) just an 93 year old farmer named Lawrence who Say's " never saw the weather like this before. FOXNews.com - Antarctic Ice Sheet Likely to Collapse, New Data Show - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News
But to give The reputable Reporters at the Fox News Desk their day, this article supports the Antarctic Ice shelf Deterioration, The show that Recently aired on PBS, Extreme Ice was awe inspiring, the Glaciologist was just a freak, really got into his work.
Now if I seem long winded this next part will really Get you. The third world I hear everyone Threaten, about. Have any of you been to Mississippi, or Alabama? How easy it is to sing from our guild-ed Cages.
Volunteed During Katrina.
If not for the Environment, why not for energy Independence. Big concept I know, but isn't this a Country based on a big Concept?
The belief that if one looks for a desired response, any statistic will reflect that response.
You are correct. That's exactly why I don't trust government funded Global Warming studies.
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For the most part I believe that only one Establishment in America is more Corrupt than the Government, and that would be the Media. Four Guy's in this country really run the show. Not one is in office, yet can break a President, or Election in half.
Correct again. And what side of the Global Warming debate are they on? Do you believe them on that issue?
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To abandon all hope of Energy independence really makes all those HPF, bulbs a real kick in the teeth.
Are those the same bulbs made with mercury? The same ones making people sick when they break and folks breathe the vapors?
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No Engineer needed, I talk to the old timers, ( not 400,000years of Data ) just an 93 year old farmer named Lawrence who Say's " never saw the weather like this before.
Ya, why look at real scientific data. Better to talk to an old farmer. Is Lawrence talking about the record cold winters we've been having? Was he talking about the 10 year cooling cycle we're in?
After the past couple winters here, I'd love some global warming. And I'm going to do my part to help it along.
__________________ There is precedent for the mainstream media being megaphones for Democratic-manufactured hysteria. George Will
Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism. George Will
Well there seems as, when we might be settling on commune ground. We know where we divide, now let's find where we join? The money in "my pocket", should be there also?
Keeping a realistic grip on an effort, to develop, "affective", "affordable" , "reliable" Renewable Energy in America.
Focusing on utilization of Source Renewable. Fazing Nuclear and fossil based, system out.
Source Renewable: Windmills, Solar Panels, Hydroelectric, Bio Gas.
Independent Freedom of choice:
Introduce Legislature: Adaptive Measures, Industry Standard Return Grid Access, Combined Power Plants.
Equal Grid Access: Return access power stored, Residential, Commercial. From Privately Installed, privately owned Power Substations, to Receive Energy Credits. Offsetting , Standard Power Grid Use. Low sun conditions, low wind conditions ect...
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