Bilingual no trespassing signs produced in Hmong, English

**AJE** · 10-23-2007, 06:54 AM

Bilingual no trespassing signs produced in Hmong, English

Hunting activists in Wisconsin hope to see positive developments come out of recent tragedies blamed on racial conflict and misunderstanding.

A Waupaca County man, for example, is selling signs that alert hunters in English and Hmong to land that is closed to public hunting.

"That's where you run across problems," said Eric Humbert of Ogdensburg, who said his bilingual signs will help eliminate the language-barrier.

Humbert had "No trespassing without permission" signs translated with the help of a Hmong co-worker. He had 500 polyethylene signs manufactured last year and has distributed 350 for $4 each.

Manitowoc Herald Times Reporter - Bilingual no trespassing signs produced in Hmong, English

kmfarm · 10-23-2007, 07:24 PM

That's fine and dandy. But the law states that before going on any land not yours, you must assume that someone owns it and ask for permission. Maybe the hmong (and everyone else) need to learn the law before going out on the hunt.

Immigrants need to have some responsibility when it comes to learning and understanding the law. Sometimes I think we go too far out of our way to make excuses for non-english speaking people.

If I moved to a foriegn land, I wonder how much slack would be given to me because I couldn't read a sign or speak the language.

Mark

**MrKhay** · 10-23-2007, 07:28 PM

I was always with the understanding that the Hmong folks didn't have a written language...only spoken.
Who knows for sure what the translated sign really says?

pk · 10-23-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

I was always with the understanding that the Hmong folks didn't have a written language...only spoken.
Who knows for sure what the translated sign really says?

Here is a website that shows a collection of English words translated into Hmong.

WEBSITE: Vietread

I realize that this is just an assortment of words shown but looking down the list I notice the word 'NO' is not listed. You think they would make sure this word was among the ones in the list. Go figure.

pk

**MrKhay** · 10-24-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pk

Here is a website that shows a collection of English words translated into Hmong.

WEBSITE: Vietread

I realize that this is just an assortment of words shown but looking down the list I notice the word 'NO' is not listed. You think they would make sure this word was among the ones in the list. Go figure.

pk

I see a pronunciation translation, but no written decipher.

Bukmastr · 10-25-2007, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmfarm

That's fine and dandy. But the law states that before going on any land not yours, you must assume that someone owns it and ask for permission. Maybe the hmong (and everyone else) need to learn the law before going out on the hunt.

Immigrants need to have some responsibility when it comes to learning and understanding the law. Sometimes I think we go too far out of our way to make excuses for non-english speaking people.

If I moved to a foriegn land, I wonder how much slack would be given to me because I couldn't read a sign or speak the language.

Mark

I agree totally... I have nothing against the Hmong people, but do think they should not be licenced to hunt untill they fully understand the law... I have wondered on many occasions how people who can't understand our language ever passed a hunter safety coarse??? I know some very intellegent people who have failed and had to retake the test. So how does someone with significant barriers pass??
We used to have quite an amount of Hmong hunters where I hunt deer. They mostly hunted squirles. There is a limet of 5 per day, yet I would see them carrieing bags of them with dozens of squirles and even occasionally chipmunks which are not legal game, and the local game warden would ignor them and stop the white hunters. In my eyes there ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

**AJE** · 10-30-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmfarm

That's fine and dandy. But the law states that before going on any land not yours, you must assume that someone owns it and ask for permission. Maybe the hmong (and everyone else) need to learn the law before going out on the hunt.

Immigrants need to have some responsibility when it comes to learning and understanding the law. Sometimes I think we go too far out of our way to make excuses for non-english speaking people.

If I moved to a foriegn land, I wonder how much slack would be given to me because I couldn't read a sign or speak the language.

Mark

I agree 100% its just proper edicts to have mannerisms. But say many immigrants don't know or want to understand the norm of American cultures. For example most folks take off the hat upon entering the home, restaurant or church; yeah right I've mitt many foreigners that don't even do that. I say the signs a positive direction, for immigrants as least they're forewarned. But I do think they should be in Spanish as well.

**AJE** · 10-30-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKhay

I was always with the understanding that the Hmong folks didn't have a written language...only spoken.
Who knows for sure what the translated sign really says?

I've many friends who are Hmong, MOST don't know the language as a written doc. So not sure how well the signs will fare with those who can't interpret them.

Here is my little experience my white friend was reading (sounding out Hmong words) at which point my Hmong friend was able to decipher the word once spoken aloud. Something is up with that Huh?

**AJE** · 10-30-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bukmastr

I agree totally... I have nothing against the Hmong people, but do think they should not be licenced to hunt untill they fully understand the law... I have wondered on many occasions how people who can't understand our language ever passed a hunter safety coarse???

IN all languages please. No fair that the rest of us take the hunter safety course only to see blazing orange as a foreigner whom is breaking the rules or stretching them to their advantage. Would also like to see the Wisconsin DNR hire Hmong and Spanish Wardens in each county as well for those who purposely fake not understanding the laws of the hunt.

I passed Hunter's safety on my first time back in '95. But only after I went through mega brain cramming to understand the laws, safety and firearms.

pk · 10-30-2007, 01:34 PM

Quote:

I agree totally... I have nothing against the Hmong people, but do think they should not be licenced to hunt untill they fully understand the law... I have wondered on many occasions how people who can't understand our language ever passed a hunter safety coarse??? I know some very intellegent people who have failed and had to retake the test. So how does someone with significant barriers pass??

I know very little about hunting so I have no knowledge of what is required as far as how to be licenced to hunt....but, reading this makes me wonder...

how does someone that can't understand the language and the law pass the test?

Doesn't make me feel as if I want to be out there hunting with others out there not knowing what they are doing.

**AJE** · 10-30-2007, 01:53 PM

It appears that Wisconsin hunting licenses are available to legal immigrants with Social Security numbers, so citizenship (including the presumed ability to speak English) is not required.

In addition, the signs assume that Hmong can read their own language; however a Wisconsin study found 70 percent of Hmong had little or no literacy in their native tongue. In addition, 94 percent of Hmong living in America do not speak English at home. Perhaps signs utilizing a simple symbol would be more appropriate.

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