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Old 07-11-2009, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

WAUSAU, Wis. – An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it — an Iraq war veteran — claims the officers trespassed and stole his property.

A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man's protest — over a liquor license — continued.

more: Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village - Yahoo! News


Traditionally, flying a flag upside down is a sign of distress.. but is it unlawful or a valid form of protest?
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

I'd like to know the whole strory. Why was his liquor license refused? Did he not do his homework before investing the money? Was there some kind of back-door local politics at play?

There's more to the story I'm sure. BTW, it happened in Crivitz, not Wausau.

Having said that, there was no law broken (I think), so police overstepped there bounds in the name of "disruption".

I can think of many protests and protesters that were far more disruptive.

The larger story is the growing frustration and battle between citizens and over-reaching governments. From Federal all the way down to the little local (big fish in small ponds) council members.
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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

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I'd like to know the whole strory. Why was his liquor license refused? Did he not do his homework before investing the money? Was there some kind of back-door local politics at play?

There's more to the story I'm sure. BTW, it happened in Crivitz, not Wausau.

Having said that, there was no law broken (I think), so police overstepped there bounds in the name of "disruption".

I can think of many protests and protesters that were far more disruptive.

The larger story is the growing frustration and battle between citizens and over-reaching governments. From Federal all the way down to the little local (big fish in small ponds) council members.
...and the police officers need to learn the laws they are to enforce, not make them up as they go along. If they can't make a charge stick, they come along with a "disorderly conduct" charge. Disorderly conduct is a catch all charge.
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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

From the article in Yahoo (link above):
In mid-June, Congine, 46, began flying the flag upside down — an accepted way to signal distress — outside the restaurant he wants to open in Crivitz, a village of about 1,000 people some 65 miles north of Green Bay.

He said his distress is likely bankruptcy because the village board refused to grant him a liquor license after he spent nearly $200,000 to buy and remodel a downtown building for an Italian supper club.
Even if he gets his liquor license, I'm not sure he'll get many patrons.

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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

I read the same story in my local newspaper way up here too. Didn't have time to post the story here at the time but figured someone else would read it and let the readers of the Bubbler know about the story.
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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

What a way to get attention, even the wrong attention.

But I can't get over how someone can pour $200,000 into a downtown building in a town that small without the knowledge of the city that he is opening a Supper Club? They had to know. So why would they let him do this if they knew they would turn him down for a license? Something just doesn't make sense. Wouldn't you have to have all that in place before you invest so much into a building in a town? Is this an error on the business owners part that he didn't get all his papers ready up front? Or an error on the town's part that they did not notify him first that he could not have permission before he extensively remodeled? Strange.

As far as the flag. I would think 'distress' would mean the same as SOS. You are in dire need of emergency help. Stranded in the Ocean on a ship sinking..that would be distress. lol not because you didn't get the proper license before pouring a ton of money into a building.

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What a way to get attention, even the wrong attention.

But I can't get over how someone can pour $200,000 into a downtown building in a town that small without the knowledge of the city that he is opening a Supper Club?

Amen.

What they had there was a failure to communicate.

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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

UPDATE:


Vandals damage site of upside down flag

Police say the conflict over a flag being flown upside down in Crivitz, has reached a dangerous level.

Sometime between Wednesday night and Thursday afternoon, vandals broke two windows on the property where the flag is being flown, and tried to set the building on fire.

FULL STORY HERE:


Vandals damage site of upside down flag - WFRV Green Bay: Northeast Wisconsin News, Weather and Sports
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Vandals damage site of upside down flag

Police say the conflict over a flag being flown upside down in Crivitz, has reached a dangerous level.

Sometime between Wednesday night and Thursday afternoon, vandals broke two windows on the property where the flag is being flown, and tried to set the building on fire.

FULL STORY HERE:


Vandals damage site of upside down flag - WFRV Green Bay: Northeast Wisconsin News, Weather and Sports
Anyone that served in the military knows that the national standard displayed upside down is a signal of distress. Folks need to learn proper use for the Flag. I see alot of disrespectful uses for the flag in my area. I'm almost sure that the party flying the flag didn't know they were being disrespectful. In this case,the flag was not presented in a disrespectful manner. Probably a cop that was somewhat overzealous. There's alot of those out there. Not "dry behind the ears" yet.

The owner of the building was showing everyone that he is in distress. He needs some help, and what does the local constabulary do?, they harass him and unlawfully take his property. That's stealing. As long as the cop is wearing a badge, they think they can make it up as they go along. This is common place in small burgs, such as Crivitz Wisconsin.

What does J.B. Von Hollen have to say about this? Seems like I'm hearing alot about local police just making up rules, and calling them ordinances, then when the charge doesn't stick, or the defendant demands to see the judge, they come along and tell you they will drop the charge, and just call it "disorderly conduct". Local police are good at generating revenue for a municipality.

The act of vandalism was totally uncalled for. Kids. To me, it all amounts to a bag of bull****.
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We stopped at a gas station today and my daughter looked over and saw that the flag they had on display was old, torn, and had fallen off the top hook and was hanging upside down. I told her to go in and tell the owner that they need to fix the flag. She did, and the response was like, oh, yeah,...ahhhh.. OK. And the lady called over and told someone else. We watched for a few minutes but no one came out. I'll look again next time we go by to see if anyone did anything out it. Pure disrespect.


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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

We seem to make the news for the worst reasons. (Wausau Resident here)
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Re: War Vet's Flag Seized By Police In Wasau, WI

I don't think many have the respect for the flag these days as they had when I was younger.. alot don't know the proper way to dispose of a damaged flag.

US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

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We stopped at a gas station today and my daughter looked over and saw that the flag they had on display was old, torn, and had fallen off the top hook and was hanging upside down. I told her to go in and tell the owner that they need to fix the flag. She did, and the response was like, oh, yeah,...ahhhh.. OK. And the lady called over and told someone else. We watched for a few minutes but no one came out. I'll look again next time we go by to see if anyone did anything out it. Pure disrespect.


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I don't think many have the respect for the flag these days as they had when I was younger.. alot don't know the proper way to dispose of a damaged flag.





The local American Legion has a depository for worn flags. The Legionnaires will dispose of worn and tattered flags in a respectful and proper manner.
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