Wisconsin Questions

[ajordan]

Why does Wisconsin say "Wisconsin Cares for Kids" or "We Care for Kids" when

1. Wisconsin public schools are passing kids through school with horrible grades, no life skills and the inability to read, write or do simple math
2. Wisconsin does not promote the family but instead was the first state to incorporate "No Fault Divorce"
3. Milwaukee's shootings and murder rates are continuing to climb yearly
4. Property taxes are so high that families are being forced to move to other states, sometimes breaking up extended families and a lifetime of memories and friends
5. Wiccans are allowed to promote their stuff in public school but my kids are not allowed to mention the word God

[Crys]

A) Because it's good propaganda. Everytime some politician says "for the children" or "think of the children" I want to strangle them.

But two things:

No fault divorce is better for the kids than parents who hate each other being forced to stay together. How is it better for the kids to watch Mommy getting beaten and abused by Daddy every night or watch her miserable because he's out with his girlfriend or listen to them fighting continuously because they just should never have gotten married in the first place (or with the genders reversed, of course)? People are better parents when they are happy and secure in their own life and they can't be that if they are condemned to a lifetime of hatred and misery.

Wiccans are not "allowed" to "promote" their religion (not STUFF. Religion.) any more than any other religion, including Christianity. I'm really sick of Christians thinking they should get special privileges that the rest of us should then be denied.

[Kris10]

How are the Wiccan kids "promoting" their religion in schools?

[j10asen]

Originally Posted by Kris10

How are the Wiccan kids "promoting" their religion in schools?

I think they have spelling bee's :lol:

[andy]

Originally Posted by ajordan

Why does Wisconsin say "Wisconsin Cares for Kids" or "We Care for Kids" when

1. Wisconsin public schools are passing kids through school with horrible grades, no life skills and the inability to read, write or do simple math

The biggest problem with the city schools that are doing poorly is poverty in the area and a lack of accountability with the kids. Many kids don't even have their own school supplies, so the classes have to pool supplies from the kids that do have their own. If teachers become apathetic, who can blame them? How long could you put up with a class of 30 students that don't care about their grades and really have no reason to listen to you? Their parents were raised in an atmosphere where grades weren't important, so they aren't surprised when their kids don't do well.

I know several teachers that have gone through the UW university system and nearly all their training is focused on teaching the kids that don't do well in city schools. The problem is that despite all that training, you can't teach someone that doesn't care.

2. Wisconsin does not promote the family but instead was the first state to incorporate "No Fault Divorce"

I agree with Crys. I grew up with divorced parents. After the initial trauma of the divorce, it was better than listening to them yell at each other.

3. Milwaukee's shootings and murder rates are continuing to climb yearly

Yeah, I think we need to trim some of the bloat from our government and spend more on law enforcement. I think the goverment is aware of the problem though. You can't fix stuff like this overnight.

4. Property taxes are so high that families are being forced to move to other states, sometimes breaking up extended families and a lifetime of memories and friends

Property taxes here are high, I'll give you that, but there are many communities where they are more affordable. The only people I've heard of that had problems with taxes were living in areas where house values skyrocketed over a short amount of time. They sold their homes and moved to a nearby community, and made a bunch of money in the process.

5. Wiccans are allowed to promote their stuff in public school but my kids are not allowed to mention the word God

What stuff are they promoting exactly? Besides, kids are in school to learn about science, history, reading, etc. If you want them to learn about religion, take them to church. I don't think religion should be off limits if the discussion comes up, but I don't think it should be a mandatory part of the cirriculum either. There are so many beliefs that you can't give them all an equal amount of time. I wonder how many of the parents that promote religion in schools would be happy if their kid came home a Buddhist one day.

[pk]

1. Wisconsin public schools are passing kids through school with horrible grades, no life skills and the inability to read, write or do simple math

Well here we go again blaming a whole state for some cities and locations within. Maybe the city you live in has school issues that makes it look like they are passing kids through but does that mean the whole state? We live in a larger city (kenosha) and I have seen alot of work given to helping kids in our schools. Many good programs have been introduced to help our kids feel they are important and to intice them to do their best. Yes, there are alot of issues here also as in any city, or state but our city is doing alot for our kids. So guess you can't say 'wisconsin' as a whole.

2. Wisconsin does not promote the family but instead was the first state to incorporate "No Fault Divorce"

I came from a divorce family. But the time and state I came from made it difficult for people to divorce. My mom had to be 'separated' from my abusive father for a year before she could try to obtain a divorce. She had to sleep in with my sister and I to be called 'separated'. It was very difficult time in our lives until she finally was granted a divorce. Then she ended up getting a very small amount of child support. Times have changed alot and I think our state see's that things needed to be changed and I'm glad for it. Some people are truly better off not being married.

4. Property taxes are so high that families are being forced to move to other states, sometimes breaking up extended families and a lifetime of memories and friends

ha..yes, the property taxes are high, but we had to move to this state while my husband works in another because housing was alot more affordable even with the higher taxes. There was no way we could afford for me to be home with our children if we decided to buy a home in the city/state he works in. So I guess our case is the opposite of what you are saying..we didn't move away because of the taxes, we moved here because it is more affordable.

5. Wiccans are allowed to promote their stuff in public school but my kids are not allowed to mention the word God

Asked my soon to be high schooler if she felt 'wiccans' were 'allowed' over others in the school, or if any one 'group' dominated another as far as their beliefs. Well again, maybe it is just because we live in a different city than you, but she felt nothing like this is going on.

Maybe if you are not happy about the state you should consider either moving from it, or maybe just try another part of the state and see if you find things are different?

Just my thoughts.

pk

[j10asen]

Originally Posted by j10asen

I think they have spelling bee's :lol:

I am sorry :cry:
This evidently was a failed attempt at humor and reduce the friction. I honestly thought is was very funny, but my wife says I crack myself up.
I do feel anytime something,someone,someplace,some doctrine,some rule,some religion,some politics, some some is genrealized that it only leads to negative reaction.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

John Lennon

As much as it is a cliche I do feel

"actions speak louder than words"

This comes from a guy that has been led down the wrong path by too many fast-talkers.

[Crys]

J- I thought it was funny but probably not for the same reason you did

That song is my perfect world too. Unfortunately, there are too many shallow, selfish, self-centered people in the world for it to ever happen. :cry:

[j10asen]

Originally Posted by Crys

J- I thought it was funny but probably not for the same reason you did

That song is my perfect world too. Unfortunately, there are too many shallow, selfish, self-centered people in the world for it to ever happen. :cry:

Crys
I am glad you found humor in my remark, I laughed hysterically.
Now after I read your note The following image came to me.

Picture a scene similar to'That seventy's show

a group of Wiccans circling a boiling cauldron sharing some doobage , each taking turns following a toke by conjuring harmless spells in poetic rhyme that are only considered humorous to themslves. Ofcourse as the doobage gets passed the laughter increases.

When they are done they head out to McDonalds where a smarty Wiccan orders a dozen McToad sandwiches with newt tail fries.

Not to be outdone the McD employees asks if they want it supersized? only to be recanted with no sorry we are ridding brooms tonight we need to keep it light.


How do you like the animated gif I hijacked from another site?