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I got a nasty case of poison ivy there once

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We walked through several of the cemeteries in Burlington trying to see if I 'felt' anything or have orbs etc come out on any of my photos. The only thing was the sinking feeling I had standing next to one of the graves. The ground was like a sponge when you walked over a certain place by a grave but no where else and it hadn't rained. Kinda weird. But really I neither felt or saw anything close to what I read about the place.

I am curious however and maybe you can answer me. One section towards the front of one there was many black iron crosses. I have never seen a section in a cemetery that I can recall that had crosses like this. I have pictures somewhere if I can find them I will post. But I was wondering if you knew about them?

I don't know about them but I know exactly where you are talking. They interested me also. I wish I could remember but someone did explain them to me once. Maybe this weekend I'll stop over there and see if anything comes to mind.
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I bet it's haunted, and the rest of the city was built on ancestral native American burial grounds.

How do you explain the time/space vortices?
There are lot of burial grounds in the area. Has a lot to do with location. I don't doubt that the hill near my house was an indian burial ground. In a lot of ways our ancestors were smarter then us and being that this hill is the highest point between Brown's Lake and the Fox River in this immediate area they would have used such an area to protect the dead. I could be typing this very post sitting over someone right now because this part of my house was slab on grade construction from the 1920's and they never would have dug deep enough to know either way.

This idea where there are layers of dead or that multiple communities keep using the same spot is where I call BS on the whole thing. Just wasn't going to happen. I could however believe there may have been a little interlacing. Now the problem I have with downtown being built on burial grounds is it's borderline flood plains and back then it would have been more prone for sure. Cultures that cared enough for their own people to have burial grounds typically didn't build them in areas where they continually saw water wash everything away, they didn't get near them.

As far as your question, I'm going to toss it back at you out of pure curiosity.......How do you explain the time/space vortices?
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I found some photos we took the day we stopped there showing the black crosses I was referring to. If anyone has any idea what the black cross stands for please let me know.

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As you can see this cross even tho it's a dark color it has a different shape. Wonder if the shapes have a meaning as well as the color?

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Looking at the dates they all seem to be very old (1800s).

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Here shows a view of how they are grouped among other 'regular' tombstones. . Even tho there are other regular ones mixed in the dark crosses are still in just one section of the whole cemetery which is towards the front on the one side.




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Interesting.. a German-American section?
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I've wondered that but still, why black crosses? What does that really represent? There has to be a story here.
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A quote from burlingtonhistory dot org

"The cemetery's western edge was for many years part of the Village and City of Burlington's western boundary. The iron crosses in the older sections near State Street were made in Burlington by the Wagner & Klein (later Wagner Brothers) foundry on what is now Commerce Street."

The cemetery is now St. Mary's but back then is was St. Sebastian's. Is it possible that it was just popular because it was a local thing? I feel like there should be more to it.
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"The cemetery's western edge was for many years part of the Village and City of Burlington's western boundary. The iron crosses in the older sections near State Street were made in Burlington by the Wagner & Klein (later Wagner Brothers) foundry on what is now Commerce Street."

The cemetery is now St. Mary's but back then is was St. Sebastian's. Is it possible that it was just popular because it was a local thing? I feel like there should be more to it.
I'm with you on that, there has to be more to it. Why only a few in one section and not scattered around more when there is clearly many other grave sites through out that area in the same time period? If they were locally made during that time I would think there would be more of these beautiful yet somewhat eerie dark, iron crosses.

Could it be the paupers that received these from a local business when the family could not afford the beautifully craved cement ones?

Now you really have me curious.

With all the rich history in Burlington I am guessing there is a historian (that is not the word I'm trying to think of!) in your local library?
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Noticed the name KLEIN. Our founder here at the bubbler's name is Keith Klein.

@ KEITH...possible relatives???
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Well I finally figured out who I talked to about this. Talked to him today actually. His mother worked at the foundry these crosses where made at. He thought they were war related. Not thinking this is right I may not have an answer here. He said he would ask around the family and see what he could dig up. When he gets back to me I'll pass on what I find out.
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Well I finally figured out who I talked to about this. Talked to him today actually. His mother worked at the foundry these crosses where made at. He thought they were war related. Not thinking this is right I may not have an answer here. He said he would ask around the family and see what he could dig up. When he gets back to me I'll pass on what I find out.
um, I wouldn't deep too deep, that could be nasty and illegal!
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Well I finally figured out who I talked to about this. Talked to him today actually. His mother worked at the foundry these crosses where made at. He thought they were war related. Not thinking this is right I may not have an answer here. He said he would ask around the family and see what he could dig up. When he gets back to me I'll pass on what I find out.
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