today was warm, i walked out into the woods today. when i got back the the back of my yard i counted 12 cats suning themselves in my back yard 8O i wish i hadnt left the digital in the house. almost every one was mangy but 2 that i think were the neibors farm cats (who came for a bit if you get my drift)
the way i see it my back yard has turned into a slum infested with hookers that the neibors cats come over to see.
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Things like morals should govern this. If it's a pet, don't kill it. If it's a pest, do as you will. Bottom line, what others don't know, won't hurt them.
Also, I wouldn't call it hunting. It's killing. Does one hunt pigions? No, you just shoot them.
After reading my own post, it sounded a bit heartless, so I needed to add some things. I am a cat lover, I have one, and I'd hate to see her get outside. But if she ever did, she would be hit by a car, long before she would get shot by a "cat hunter" even if it becomes legal. I can see how it could be a problem out in country areas, but if your cats are on your land, and your land is posted, all you have to worry about is the poor thing getting caught in a combine or something. If it leaves your land, it's a stray, and you most likely won't see it again anyhow. I just think that if all humans still had morals, governments could worry about bigger issues.
This one of the more level headed threads discussing this issue. You should read some of the forums on cat people web sites. They would be more inclined to shoot a person than a cat. Many of them seem to think people with be hunting cats in the streets of the cities. It seems emotion over rules common sense.
Many of them seem to think people with be hunting cats in the streets of the cities. It seems emotion over rules common sense
Well you know... people are generally stupid all around.
I'm not anti or pro on the subject. What I do see is that for every 18 people out there legitimately thinning the population of feral cats, there will inevitably be at least one who uses it to justify playing with his shiny new gun and littering the fields with corpses and bullets (or worse: wounded but not dead animals) and there will be at least one who uses it as an excuse to kill his neighbor's cat.
Complicating matters is the fact that collaring a cat can be dangerous to the cat. Unlike a dog, cats get up in trees and could get the collar caught. I can't have pets where I'm at now, but I had cats most of my life and we never collared them, specifically for that reason. So how do you distinguish between the two, legally?
how do you tell the differance between a tame cat and a feral cat? if is on the inside looking out it's tame. if your on the inside looking out it's a feral cat. keep your cats in the house and it's not an issue. yes some jerk will shoot his neighbor's cat. but i highly doubt he will do it through the cat owners living room window, it will most likely be in the shooters yard where it does not belong. if they are able to litter a field with cat corpses then you are telling me we have a problem. yes there will be abuses as there is with anything, including cat ownership. do you not think cats are being shot now. this would require people to have a hunting license to shoot a cat. More and more people are getting hunters safety certificates so the level of safety among hunters should be increasing. people equate this with hunting cats in the streets, its not. it should help cat owner's become more responsible.
we have just as many people out there infecting others and killing birds and it's not ok to shoot them why should it be alright to shoot the cats i have 5 farm cats that are kept outside and the only thing they have distroyed so far is my mouse population.
Legalized pet killing. You know as well as I anyone who doesn't like your pet cat running around will kill it and call it a stray. Lets get rid of all the polititians who backed this idea.
we have just as many people out there infecting others and killing birds and it's not ok to shoot them why should it be alright to shoot the cats i have 5 farm cats that are kept outside and the only thing they have distroyed so far is my mouse population.
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Legalized pet killing. You know as well as I anyone who doesn't like your pet cat running around will kill it and call it a stray. Lets get rid of all the polititians who backed this idea.
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Did you even read any of this thread? No one is going to come and kill your pet cat. It will still be illegal to use a firearm "in town."
Im still undecided. I think it's kinda amusing that cat lovers are worried about their cats getting shot when it's their cat who is on someone elses property...poop'n in their kids' sandboxes.
Cats can be trained to stay on a leash. We do it for dogs, why can't cat owners do it for their cats instead of allowing them to go prowl around wherever it wants to.
But, like I said...Im still undecided about the matter.
Im still undecided. I think it's kinda amusing that cat lovers are worried about their cats getting shot when it's their cat who is on someone elses property...poop'n in their kids' sandboxes.
Cats can be trained to stay on a leash. We do it for dogs, why can't cat owners do it for their cats instead of allowing them to go prowl around wherever it wants to.
But, like I said...Im still undecided about the matter.
Dogs and cat, both should be on leashs while outside.
It is the owners responsiblility.
A few notes .......
In some areas, wild dogs are a problem also.
Some responsible pet owners have cats and/or dogs that escape and are not outdoor animals.
Dogs poop in yards also.
Dogs and Cats both hunt if left into the wild.
Exotic animals are also pets and released or escape into the wild, just like dogs and cats.
Some cat and/or dog "lovers" are just animal enthusiasts reguardless of what kind of animals - wild,pet,farm or lab animal.
Before humans had pets they were wild or undomesticated.
Over population of any living creature will lead to unstable ecosystem.
I am the proud owner of a very pampered, spoiled Siamese. I have loved cats all my life & I just can't imagine people shooting them. I guess things haven't changed that much in Wisconsin. Some big brave hunter shot my mom's Siamese full of holes too. Yes, she let him outside but surely any half way intelligent adult could tell the difference between a pure bred Siamese & a common feral cat???? :evil:
I don't even live in Wisconsin so I don't have a dog in this hunt. But I do enjoy laughing at the WI cat hunting jokes on national TV
I am the proud owner of a very pampered, spoiled Siamese. I have loved cats all my life & I just can't imagine people shooting them. I guess things haven't changed that much in Wisconsin. Some big brave hunter shot my mom's Siamese full of holes too. Yes, she let him outside but surely any half way intelligent adult could tell the difference between a pure bred Siamese & a common feral cat???? :evil:
I don't even live in Wisconsin so I don't have a dog in this hunt. But I do enjoy laughing at the WI cat hunting jokes on national TV
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FYI: Minnesota has allowed people to hunt these 'cats' for quite some time now. :roll: It's not just a Wisconsin thing. HECK! It's not even going to be legalized here!
Hi! I think it's terrible! I am against shooting cats. Should we shoot homeless people? I don't think so. It's not the cats faults that their cruel and uncaring owners dump them. I agree with you Kris, it's terrible to shoot any cat. In fact this topic is why I joined. I live in Michigan not Wisconsin but we have the same cat problem here. When I bought my new house in Febuary there were 12 ferel cats living in a shed in my back yard. Several were pragnant females. Although I was told by many to bring them to the local animal shelter or shoot them I didn't listen. I fixed the holes in the shed walls, put in cat doors and got the heat turned on. I gave the cats food and water every day. I ended up keeping an 8 month old pregnant female as a pet but the others were much to wild. I set live traps, took them to the vet, got them their shots, spayed and neutered, vet checked and then I let them go again. I took care of them and finally found a farmer who offered to take them for mousers. They are now living happly there. They get fresh food and water every day. They live in a warm barn and although it's not perfect in any way they have a life. They aren't dead and don't deserve to be. I think any one who wants to shoot poor innocent cats otta have their head checked. It's the cats fault and they shouldn't be killed for it. I was in Kansas for a while and people there are allowed to shoot cats. They shot 1 of my cats and her 4 kittens. All my cats had collars, tags and they were only let outside for about 2 hours in the afternoon. When it's legal to shoot cats that is what happens. Sorry this post is so long but this gets on my nerves. Good Bye!
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I know this forum is a bit old now, but I wanted to let everyone know that in New London here, there is a Vet. that is working with police, to capture, spay and nuder, and release these cats. It's humane, and will greatly cut down on the population in the long run.
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I have indoor cats but I also have two barn cats that are FIXED!. I realize not everyone has the money to spay and neuter their cats which would help eliminate a lot of feral cats. Most of these feral cats are coming from farms and are a much needed animal in keeping the mice down. But coming from a dairy farm I know that most farmers are not going to spend the money it takes to alter their cats. I would like to see some kind of program put in place that would help farmers be able to afford to spay and neuter their cats. Yes some cats get dumped but not compared to the numbers of cats breeding on our local farms. Maybe the state should help out our farmers if it is becoming the problem that some think it is.
Below are programs that provide low cost or free spay/neuter for cats, listed by state. Some programs work only with pets of people with low incomes. Some do not consider income but serve only pet cats -- or only feral (untame) cats. But other programs serve all kinds of people and cats. LoveThatCat.com believes the listing details listed are correct at this writing, but call the program to be sure.
If you don't find a service listed for your area, don't give up. First, call the offices of Spay/USA and of Friends of Animals (see Nationwide the link on their site). They have information about discount spay/neuter services in many towns across the country.
Prices can vary widely even in the same city. Also, when discussing prices, be sure to ask whether there are any other charges or fees in addition to the price of the spay/neuter. For example, sometimes a clinic will require that a cat receive a rabies vaccination if he has not already had one. (Rabies vaccinations are required by law in many areas of the U.S.)
People put off spay/neuter due to issues of money, transportation, or time. Some people believe it's more fair to allow the cat to mate "just this once" -- or they think a female cat's pregnancy and kittens will be sweet or educational for their human children. Also, some people don't know that:
* Cats can start mating as early as six months
* Even indoor-only house cats often find ways to get outdoors when the sexual urge hits them. Whether they disappear for good (due to panic, accidents, or enemies) or they return home, kittens are the result.
* An unaltered male cat can father hundreds of kittens a year.
* Statistically speaking, even if a person finds good homes for a litter of kittens, some of the kittens will grow up and produce litters of kittens.
* Spaying a female before her first heat protects her from risks of uterine, ovarian, and mammary cancers.
* Spaying also protects her from the stresses of pregnancy.
* Spaying reduces her frantic interest in the outdoors and reduces the chances that she'll wander far.
* Spaying reduces the chances she'll mark your home with urine when she's in heat.
* Unaltered cats have urges that make them irritable and anxious. They yowl or whine frequently, fight with other cats, and/or destroy objects in the house.
* Neutering a male reduces his risk from numerous health problems.
* Neutering lowers his urge to roam and to fight, and thus lowers chances of disease transmission and woundings.
* Neutering also reduces his tendency to spray in the home.
* And neutering eliminates the powerful odor of adult male cat urine.
Visited this thread once again after seeing it on Paige's Member page. (Nice post, Paige!) Just wanted to say, wow, great post RedRaven. We've all got opinions and it is good to see hope of an affordable solution. I've been impressed with this thread from the start. Cool to have a Forum category for Cats now, too.
A group in Columbia County says it wants to control the feral cat population by trapping and neutering the animals and then releasing them.
Worthy Paws has placed 29 cats into permanent or foster homes throughout Columbia County since the group's launch last month. The group's president says killing animals, an idea that was proposed last year, is not the solution because more cats will move into the area and the litter size will increase.
She says that proposal caused people to take a close look at the problem and find other solutions.
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we have just as many people out there infecting others and killing birds and it's not ok to shoot them why should it be alright to shoot the cats i have 5 farm cats that are kept outside and the only thing they have distroyed so far is my mouse population.
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