North Korean Nukes

[xswinnyx]

What is everyones opinion of all this? They are now saying the U.S. needs to back off or it will be considered an act of war. What are they thinking? If they were to hit us with a nuke. It would wipe out a portion of our country. If we hit them with a nuke, there wouldn't be a country. I understand that the U.S. can seem like a big bully, and that countries have a right to defend themselves. But trying to pick a fight with the "sleeping giant" and then saying we picked it? They are a communist country. Everyone else expects the U.N. to do something about it. What does everyone think?

[Crys]

The problem is that no one is thinking. They're just concerned with who has the bigger ... ahem... threat factor and intimidation.

Thing is, everyone involved is completely in the wrong and has made just about every wrong choice they could have.

I'm not going to post a list of links here but go to Google and try: "carlyle group" "north korea" rumsfeld

then try in Google News: "north korea" rumsfeld

Then also in Google News: "north korea" albright

Also, the declassified record: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB87/

I suggest also doing that search with other names, including "baker", "cheney", "bush" and "clinton"

It becomes obvious pretty quickly that this whole situation has been handled for crap since the start. Madeline Albright is about the only bright spot in the whole thing. She at least tries to be the adult in the classroom full of insane bullies only interested in whose swagger is more grandiose. I mean really, Rumsfeld sells them the tech and then is surprised they used it? The Clinton admin gives them tech and is surprised when they use it? Bush calls them one of the three most "evil" govts in 2001 and then he's surprised when they thumb their nose at us? We sign a treaty with them and then WE break it and impose sanctions against them FOUR DAYS after it's signed? Yeah, no surprise they don't trust us and are ready to call our continued insults and pressure on their sovereign nation an act of war. Then there's N. Korea's leader, a dictator of questionable mental stability to start with who only seems to understand the language of intimidate or be killed.

Long story short, I'll be very surprised if this DOESN'T end in yet another war.

[xswinnyx]

I don't really see a possible resillution without war. This guy has been sticking most of his countries money into his armed forces. It should be interesting, to say the least. Bush was all worried about "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. What do you call a nuclear weapon? Duh!
Between North Korea, Iraq, Afganistan, and Iran, Americas forces will be stretched pretty thin. I just hope we can do better then we did in the vietnam war. But it isn't looking that way.

[Crys]

You know, to be honest, he was all over "wmd" in Iraq because he already knew they didn't have them and weren't really a threat. I think most of us knew that, at least, most of us who paid attention such things before then. And I think it's fairly well established already that I think Bush Jr. himself is an honorless coward and a perpetual failure who uses threats of military force to cover for his personal shortcomings and to make himself feel important, so no one should be surprised by my assessment.

Iran and N. Korea, on the other hand, really are a threat. I doubt we'll invade them, because they really are dangerous. Well, Iran is maybe less of a threat, but they're very powerful in the area (thanks to us) where Iraq really wasn't (in spite of us helping Hussein into power and keeping him there). Our posturing, however, is likely to provoke _them_ into doing something. That's the problem with being the bully on the block. There's always someone whose reaction to being bullied is to hit back, and to hit back hard...

[rudedog]

i would say this is another situation that we used to call nuclear peace.
neather will be willing to take the first step to a true nuclear war. the cost are way to high for both sides. even if one side got the upper hand, and eliminated the threat from the other. all the nations around them would declare them the new order hitler and move to eliminate them. what i believe were looking at is another cold war.
i wunder if the kids will have to learn to hide under the desks again.
besides, there is no way that they could win. they must understand that. we are far more advanced then the last time we fought them. the last time politics played out in that war. if we were attacked they wouldnt get that concideration again.